[USML Announce] NOTICE OF HOT WAX SEAL

Mon May 14 09:02:17 EDT 2007

Talk about subtle digs - "Winick-esque"?  Come on - in his worst moments Rick isn't that bad.  

Jeff
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From: "Andrew R. Klein" <anrklein at yahoo.com>
Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 09:32:18 
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Rick-

 Now I know that the game is on.? A subtle dig at BJ Upton as "trading season" heats up.? Very Winick-esque!!

 -Andy

 rickgam at comcast.net: <mailto:rickgam at comcast.net>  wrote: 
Greetings; 
???? It's only mid-May, a whole lot of baseball left!? Did anyone else see this cool factoid that for a few days last week?BJ Upton became the first player since the immortal Dick Allen back in 1965 to simultaneously lead the league in batting avg. and strikeouts?? My man Rob Deer only fell about 150 points shy of accomplishing this feat on an annual basis. 
?? Rick? 
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 From: "Andrew R. Klein" <anrklein at yahoo.com>: <mailto:anrklein at yahoo.com>  
 Lighten up there, Jeffrey!? I only meant that he was eligible to be traded!!? When I want to talk about real hitters, I'll pen my essay about Jack Cust, who in one week has more homers than Sweeney, King Bean, Gordon, and Butler combined.? (Mark B. ... Cust is worth *at least* A-Rod ...)

 Now let's get the other trades entered online and see whether anyone has a shot at catching Gammons.

 -Andy

 jhwinick at aol.com: <mailto:jhwinick at aol.com> wrote: 
Further evidence that from the perspective of COPS the only distinction between a bean and "real" player is whether or not the player in question is on the roster of a member of COPS.? Ozzie has already said that Sweeney is only up until Thome is activated.? How, exactly, does that distinguish him from, for example,? King Bean, Brandon Wood who was up for a couple of weeks before getting sent down? 
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Let's see, I'm trying to figure this out.? Sweeney is a "real" player because Andy? traded him notwithstanding the fact that he's only been active for? a couple of weeks.? Yet, according to both PT/KR and Andy, Phillip Hughes is a "bean" because.....well, I thought it was because he was only active for a couple of weeks.? And Brandon Wood is King Bean because....I don't know, I just don't get it. 
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Jeff? Winick 
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Sweeney's no beany -- he is the White Sox startling leftfielder, and an active member of the K9!? (In fact, he replaced Jack "The Man" Cust, who hit *another* dinger today.)

 Again, I'm fine with this interpretation ... the trade takes effect next week, and we have league "common law" on how the Barrett Rule works.

 -Andy

 jhwinick at aol.com: <mailto:jhwinick at aol.com> wrote: 
The irony, of course, is that Jim's rule was rejected in large part because of the maneuvering done by Mr. Klein to ensure that his proposal to ban trading prospects outright was considered before the reasonable? alternative of adopting a June 1 limitation could be considered.? More ironic yet is the fact that Andy will be the first team to trade a so-called magic bean in a dump trade this year.? In the immortal words of Arsenio Hall:? "the things that make you go hmmmm." 
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Although I also find it? ironic that but for Jim's objection, we would now be adopting the very rule that he proposed, it seems to me that in light of Jim's apparently vociferous objection, the rule must remain exactly as written.? Any trade between Brad and Andy will have to wait until one week after Andy activates Ryan Sweeney. 
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Jeff? 
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That's exactly what I'm suggesting.? I foresaw this exact possibility and proposed a rule to deal with it.? My idea was rejected in the voting.? Hence there needs to be a week delay on the transaction.

 "Richard E. Robbins" <RERobbins at iTinker.net> wrote: 
That's an interesting observation Jim. 
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Are you suggesting that we specifically rejected what Andy seeks? and that he needs to activate Sweeney and then wait a week before trading him to Brad? 
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-- Rich 

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From: announce-bounces at usml.net [mailto:announce-bounces at usml.net] On Behalf Of Jim Barrett
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These were the options.? I voted for 2A but 2B won. 
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2A.? Amend the USML Constitution by adding the following provision: 
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"From the commencement of the USML auction until June 1, if? a player whose USML contract is not running is traded, that player will be deemed to be in the first year of his USML contract without regard to whether the acquiring owner rosters the player." 
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2B.? Amend the constitution by adding the following provision: 
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"From the commencement of the USML auction until? June 1, a team can not trade a player whose USML contract is not running." 

 Jim Barrett <chicagojab at yahoo.com> wrote: 
I believe if you review the history, you'll see that I proposed the variant that the team trading the player away did not need to activate the prospect before the trade,? provided that the acquiring team did so on receipt.? However, when we did the actual voting,? my variant was not approved.? Rather, the winning variant was the? "simpler" version that? required the? player's contract had to be running at the time of trade.? 

 "Richard E. Robbins" <RERobbins at iTinker.net> wrote: 
Me and Justice Scalia . . . 

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From: announce-bounces at usml.net [mailto:announce-bounces at usml.net] On Behalf Of Andrew R. Klein
 Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2007 9:23 AM
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 Are you ignoring Jim Barrett's personal proclamations concerning the Barrett Rule?? You're probably the type that ignores Thomas Jefferson's statements concerning the Constitution ...

 Richard E. Robbins wrote: 
Legislative history? 
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You might also recall that I circulated four possible variations of text for this rule that dealt with this issue specifically, however, in order to simplify things given the compressed time period in which we acted, I believe Jeff circulated the simplest variant.? Gee, maybe we should allow more time to fuss with rules.? Naah -- it's more fun this way.? (grin) 
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-- Rich 

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From: announce-bounces at usml.net: <mailto:announce-bounces at usml.net>  [mailto:announce-bounces at usml.net: <mailto:announce-bounces at usml.net> ] On Behalf Of Andrew R. Klein
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 On the merits, I have no preference either way -- for this trade or future trades.? My recollection is that the creator of the rule -- Jim Barrett -- suggested that players could be activated by the receiving team.

 I will amend my usmltrans message on the assumption that the trade goes through this week, as that seems to be the consensus (Doug notwithstanding).? Brad -- don't forget to activate Sweeney!!!

 -Andy

 jhwinick at aol.com: <mailto:jhwinick at aol.com>  wrote: I agree with Rich on this one. It seems to me that as long as there is a consensus, either rule would be fine. Is anyone else entertained (but not surprised) that its these two gentlemen that are testing the parameters of the new rule? Jeff Sent from my BlackBerry?? wireless handheld -----Original Message----- From: "Richard E. Robbins" <RERobbins at iTinker.net>: <mailto:RERobbins at iTinker.net>  Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 07:27:34 To:"'USML Announcements'" <announce at usml.net>: <mailto:announce at usml.net>  Subject: RE: [USML Announce] **NOTICE OF HOT WAX SEAL** I don't have a strong view either way on this one. New Section 12.13 doesn't clearly address the matter. I wouldn't object to permitting the activation of a player whose contract isn't running to be coincident with the trade. -- Rich -----Original Message----- From: announce-bounces at usml.net: <mailto:announce-bounces at usml.net>  [mailto:announce-bounces at usml.net: <mailto:announce-bounces at usml.net> ] On Behalf Of Andrew R. Klein Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2007 6:04 AM To: USML Announcements Subject: Re: [USML Announce] **NOTICE OF HOT WAX SEAL** It occurs to me that this trade might not be effective until next Sunday, as Sweeney's contract will not be "running" until today at noon. Commissioners ... a ruling please. I have Sweeney set to go active today. Does that mean he is a Riptorn this week or next week? -Andy Andrew R. Klein wrote: Happy Mother's Day. The Klein Nine trades Ryan Sweeney to the Riptorns for Hammern' Hank Blalock. -Andy _______________________________________________ announce mailing list announce at usml.net: <mailto:announce at usml.net>  http://lists.usml.net/mailman/listinfo/announce: <http://lists.usml.net/mailman/listinfo/announce>  _______________________________________________ announce mailing list announce at usml.net: <mailto:announce at usml.net>  http://lists.usml.net/mailman/listinfo/announce: <http://lists.usml.net/mailman/listinfo/announce>  _______________________________________________ announce mailing list announce at usml.net: <mailto:announce at usml.net>  http://lists.usml.net/mailman/listinfo/announce: <http://lists.usml.net/mailman/listinfo/announce>  
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Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 11:18:00 +0000 

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