[USML Announce] USML - Draft-eligible players

Thu Mar 10 18:54:28 EST 2011

that's why we should always draft after opening day

On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 6:13 PM, Richard Robbins <RERobbins at itinker.net> wrote:
> I'm not going to be in the mood for those guys this year -- unless I can snag them and flip them to someone who might be more interested in them for next year.
>
> My recollection of how we came to our current configuration is a bit hazy, but I think it?s something like this.
>
> We recognized a need to define draft eligible players when we held our draft before opening day and settled upon 40 man rosters as a clear demarcation, recognizing that some beans would be there who would almost certainly not be there if we drafted after opening day. ?We also noted that there might be MLB vets not on a 40 man roster who really should be exposed to the draft, which is where the NRI rule came into being. ?The problem with identifying who was in or out of a major league camp was lack of reliable information from an easily referenced source -- at least at that time. ?There was some sentiment that exposing rookies to the draft was a bad thing so the compromise was to tolerate those on 40 man rosters but not go so far as to permit highly touted NRIs (or something like that). ?Does the MLB web site now publish definitive lists of which 40 man roster players are not in their team's major league camp? ?I'd hate to end up with dueling press reports, rumors etc. ?Also, people shouldn't need to fiddle with who available to draft in the last day before the draft or the morning of. ?That's not fair to those who travel. ?So I wouldn't want to worry about someone sent down the night before the draft etc.
>
> So, anyways, I think that how we got to where we are, which results in the anomaly you highlighted, namely that a bean that's on the 40 man and who has been sent to the minor league camp can be drafted and a bean that happens to be on an NRI list can?t. ?Clearly that is not ideal -- but, such is the nature of compromise.
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> As time has moved on our collective experience and the current sources of information may mean that we would come to a different result if we deliberated the issue now.
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> I think that this is a topic we should certainly discuss and consider whether or not a change is warranted, but not for this draft.
>
> -- Rich
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: announce-bounces at usml.net [mailto:announce-bounces at usml.net] On Behalf Of Jeffrey Winick
> Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2011 2:30 PM
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> My apologies. ?I play in a number of different leagues, all of which play with slightly different rules. But I am confused. ?Since we allow teams to draft rookies that are no longer in camp I am now completely mystified as to why we draw a distinction between rookies on the 40 man and rookies on the NRI list. ?Any chance we can eliminate this inconsistency for future draft?
>
> But the bottom line is that I have no objection AT ALL to the inclusion of all rookies on the 40 man on the eligible list, regardless of whether they've been sent down. ?The more rookies available at the draft to tempt Rich the better.
>
> The King
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Richard Robbins <rerobbins at itinker.net>
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> Sent: Thu, Mar 10, 2011 2:17 pm
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> Brad is right. We simply use 40 man rosters and pay no heed to someone being reassigned to minor league camp. ?We pick a moment in time close enough but before draft day to minimize last minute confusion, especially with people traveling. I suspect it's all spelled out in our rules.
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> Sent from my iPad.
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> On Mar 10, 2011, at 12:38 PM, Brad Jansen <bljansen at gmail.com> wrote:
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>> ...but except as to "in a major league camp." ?Isn't it simply 40 man
>> roster and non-rookie NRI? That's it. We never monitored who
>> was/wasn't in a major/minor league camp before did we? This gets too
>> confusing. ?Stop it, Jeffrey. You obviously have uploaded all your
>> software and are ready to go, only to now spend your free and idle
>> time farting around with smokescreens!
>> --Brad
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 12:34 PM, Brad Jansen <bljansen at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>> Concur.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 11:50 AM, Jeffrey Winick
>>> <jwinick at harriswinick.com> wrote:
>>>> I?m with Rich on this one. ?Let?s agree that whomever is in major
> league
>>>> camp and on the 40 man roster (plus non-rookie NRI?s) as of Friday
> at
>>>> midnight will be eligible in the auction on Sunday regardless of
> what
>>>> happens in the ensuing 24+ hours.
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>>>> Even if sent down players typically kept on 40 man. ?No Need to
> adjust for
>>>> that. We've not done so in the past. Can we freeze at Friday night
> either
>>>> way? ?Fewer last minute moving parts that way.
>>>>
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>>>> On Mar 10, 2011, at 12:36 PM, "Blocker, Mark B."
> <mblocker at Sidley.com>
>>>> wrote:
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>>>> League:
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>>>> ? In past years, we have circulated a list of the 40-man rosters to
> show who
>>>> (along with NRIs) is eligible to be drafted. ?I would propose that
> we use
>>>> the 40-man rosters as they are constituted as of Friday night at
> midnight.
>>>> We can always adjust the list at the draft table if there are some
> players
>>>> sent down on Saturday. ?Let me know if you disagree.
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>>>> -- Mark B.
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