[USML Announce] Saves + Holds Redux
Jeffrey Winick
jwinick at hwhlegal.com
Mon Mar 4 10:28:16 EST 2019
Looks like Mark B is right. What’s your vote Mr. B?
Jeffrey H. Winick
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On Mar 4, 2019, at 9:23 AM, Blocker, Mark B. via Announce <announce at usml.net<mailto:announce at usml.net>> wrote:
I thought I had 5-4 in favor of B, but tell me if I am missing something:
A: Klein, Fruit, Luby, Buddha
B: Winick, Barrett, Shabes, Kerber, Gammons.
Not voted: Blocker
MARK B. BLOCKER
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by my count, it is 4-4 A votes; Brats, K-9, Buddha, Lubeasts
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By my count, the vote is 5-3 with B leading which means we either will have a tie or B will prevail. Need votes from Bombers and AYM.
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> Content preview: I also still prefer option A, however, to remind everybody,
> and at the risk of stating the obvious, the difference in using 2xSaves +
> H is a not so subtle difference than using S + H/2, as Frank attem [...]
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> I also still prefer option A, however, to remind everybody, and at the risk=
> of stating the obvious, the difference in using 2xSaves + H is a not so su=
> btle difference than using S + H/2, as Frank attempted to point out in his =
> analysis. Basically, using the latter eliiminates the effect of actually e=
> mphasizing the saves category even more, which was the concern of some of u=
> s in wishing to introuduce the use of 'holds' as a category. The choice bet=
> ween S+H and S+H/2 is now a more clear cut choice on how much to value hold=
> s....anyway, consider this a Public Service Announcement, that is all.
>
> ________________________________
> From: Announce <announce-bounces at usml.net<mailto:announce-bounces at usml.net>> on behalf of Andy Klein <anrklei=
> n at gmail.com<mailto:n at gmail.com>>
> Sent: Sunday, March 3, 2019 5:27 PM
> To: USML Announcements
> Subject: Re: [USML Announce] Saves + Holds Redux
>
> Not a B fan, for reasons previously given. Let's see where the votes end up=
> ... & then count hanging chads, etc. :)
>
> On Sun, Mar 3, 2019 at 6:10 PM Jim Barrett <chicagojab at gmail.com<mailto:chi=
<mailto:chicagojab at gmail.com%3cmailto:chi=%0b>> cagojab at gmail.com<mailto:cagojab at gmail.com>>> wrote:
> Looks like B has the momentum. Maybe some A voters (esp the Prof who has be=
> en really pushing the issue) should consider switching to the B side to pus=
> h it over the goal line.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Mar 3, 2019, at 5:02 PM, springkerb--- via Announce <announce at usml.net<m=
<mailto:announce at usml.net%3cm=%0b>> ailto:announce at usml.net<mailto:announce at usml.net>>> wrote:
>
> Ditto. Put me down for the amended Option B. It gets to the same place (a=
> nd implicitly demonstrates the obviously superior merits of a weighted appr=
> oach).
>
> Mark K
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jeffrey Winick <jwinick at hwhlegal.com<mailto:jwinick at hwhlegal.com<mailto:jwinick at hwhlegal.com%3cmailto:jwinick at hwhlegal.com>>>
> To: USML Announcements <announce at usml.net<mailto:announce at usml.net<mailto:announce at usml.net%3cmailto:announce at usml.net>>>
> Sent: Sun, Mar 3, 2019 3:08 pm
> Subject: Re: [USML Announce] Saves + Holds Redux
>
> I vote for amended option B.
>
> Jeffrey H. Winick
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> From: Announce [mailto:announce-bounces at usml.net] On Behalf Of Andy Klein
> Sent: Sunday, March 3, 2019 2:53 PM
> To: USML Announcements
> Subject: Re: [USML Announce] Saves + Holds Redux
>
> OK - taken as a "friendly amendment" to Option B.
>
> Again, I vote for Option A.
>
> -Andy
>
> On Sun, Mar 3, 2019 at 3:48 PM Jeffrey Winick <jwinick at hwhlegal.com<mailto:=
<mailto:jwinick at hwhlegal.com%3cmailto:=%0b>> jwinick at hwhlegal.com<mailto:jwinick at hwhlegal.com>>> wrote:
> Andy,
>
> I think that a vote of this sort is a great idea. However, the website only=
> supports Saves + Holds/2. So I=92d strongly recommend that we vote on that=
> alternative.
> Jeffrey H. Winick
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> On Mar 3, 2019, at 2:43 PM, Andy Klein <anrklein at gmail.com<mailto:anrklein@=
<mailto:anrklein at gmail.com%3cmailto:anrklein@=%0b>> gmail.com<http://gmail.com>>> wrote:
> Starting again with the caveat that this is not an end-of-the world issue, =
> I'm taking one more swing at this.
>
> It seems we have a clear majority in favor of including holds in some fashi=
> on in our scoring system in 2020. I propose a vote on one of two alternati=
> ves.
>
> A. Holds + Saves
> B Holds + 2XSaves
>
> In the past, we haven't changed rules unless we have a strong majority in f=
> avor. Commissioners ... can we vote and see where we stand? Knowing the o=
> utcome could have an impact on bidding this year.
>
> -Andy
>
> PS: I vote for option A - Saves + Holds. :)
>
> On Wed, Feb 13, 2019 at 12:33 PM Andy Klein <anrklein at gmail.com<mailto:anrk=
<mailto:anrklein at gmail.com%3cmailto:anrk=%0b>> lein at gmail.com<mailto:lein at gmail.com>>> wrote:
> In the end, this is not a huge issue to me, regardless of whether we stick =
> with S, go to S+H or 2S+H. But it's kind of interesting, and I enjoy procr=
> astinating during the lunch hour by looking at it!
>
> I suppose you could find odd comparisons either way, but I still like S+H b=
> etter. Doubling the value of saves retains the huge value gap between 9th =
> inning pitchers and others, and does much less to reduce the dynamic that e=
> ncourages our artificial chasing of the "closer carousel." So, to me, it's=
> not just the relative rankings in the spreadsheets that Frank created. It=
> 's the gap. Here's one example. When you double the value of saves, Shane=
> Greene collects twice as many counting points as stronger pitchers like Co=
> lome, Robertson, and Betances. With S+H, Greene still ranks higher, gettin=
> g the "bump" for being a 9th inning guy. But the gap is much narrower. Th=
> at's a much better outcome in my view.
>
> As for some odd names showing up high in the S+H rankings (Alvarado, Roe, T=
> rivino), that just reflects our longstanding bias. They are "no-names" to =
> us because our scoring system doesn't place any value on what they do even =
> though they are good pitchers.
>
> -Andy
>
> On Tue, Feb 12, 2019 at 12:57 PM springkerb--- via Announce <announce at usml.=
<mailto:announce at usml.=%0b>> net<mailto:announce at usml.net>> wrote:
> Not so slight. In the Luby comparison, Alvarado jumps from 10th to 3rd. R=
> oe jumps from 14th to 6th. And a bunch of nobodies after about #20 go from=
> the obscurity they deserve to real value.
>
> Mark K
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Blocker, Mark B. <mblocker at sidley.com<mailto:mblocker at sidley.com<mailto:mblocker at sidley.com%3cmailto:mblocker at sidley.com>>>
> To: USML Announcements <announce at usml.net<mailto:announce at usml.net<mailto:announce at usml.net%3cmailto:announce at usml.net>>>
> Cc: springkerb at aol.com<mailto:springkerb at aol.com><mailto:springkerb at aol.com> <springkerb at aol.com<mailt=
<mailto:springkerb at aol.com%3cmailt=%0b>> o:springkerb at aol.com<mailto:springkerb at aol.com>>>
> Sent: Tue, Feb 12, 2019 11:49 am
> Subject: RE: [USML Announce] Saves + Holds Redux
> Point taken. =93Substantial value=94? Seems the likely impact is slight d=
> ecrease in value of closers and slight increase in value of some middle rel=
> ievers.
>
> MARK B. BLOCKER
>
>
> SIDLEY AUSTIN LLP
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>
> From: Announce <announce-bounces at usml.net<mailto:announce-bounces at usml.net<mailto:announce-bounces at usml.net%3cmailto:announce-bounces at usml.net>>=
>> On Behalf Of springkerb--- via Announce
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> Cc: springkerb at aol.com<mailto:springkerb at aol.com><mailto:springkerb at aol.com>
> Subject: Re: [USML Announce] Saves + Holds Redux
>
> To Jim's point re multiple holds being available per game, the main thing I=
> was trying to do w/ my approach is to value both holds and saves equally, =
> relative to the number of saves and holds available. The ratio was pretty =
> close to 2:1 last year (actually about 2.1:1). So if we go to a 2:1 ratio,=
> then we'd be valuing all available holds and all available saves approxima=
> tely equally. I think if you look at Buddha's comparison, the most obvious=
> and questionable shifts in value involve middle relievers that aren't part=
> icularly good pitchers but get a lot of appearances in the sixth or seventh=
> inning--e.g., Chaz Roe. To me, those guys are greatly overvalued by a 1:1=
> ratio. Particularly when you get down to the guys below about the top 20,=
> the 1:1 ratio gives substantial value to some guys who just aren't very go=
> od pitchers.
>
> Mark
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jim Barrett <chicagojab at gmail.com<mailto:chicagojab at gmail.com<mailto:chicagojab at gmail.com%3cmailto:chicagojab at gmail.com>>>
> To: USML Announcements <announce at usml.net<mailto:announce at usml.net<mailto:announce at usml.net%3cmailto:announce at usml.net>>>
> Sent: Tue, Feb 12, 2019 10:59 am
> Subject: Re: [USML Announce] Saves + Holds Redux
> That=92s assuming that everyone=92s goal is to value saves and holds equall=
> y important. From my perspective, I=92d like to recognize holds as having =
> some value but I still view saves more important for several reasons. Like =
> it or not but saves are an official statistic of MLB but I don=92t believe =
> holds are. Only 1 save can be given out in a game whereas more than 1 hold =
> can be given. Baseball is a tradition bound game more than most sports and=
> the save and closer has the tradition behind it whereas holds do not. If w=
> e all want to go total saber, we=92d get rid of Wins and BA too. So in sum =
> if we make a change, I=92m in favor of weighting saves more heavily. And no=
> on future requests to have a WAR or OPS+ category! :-)
>
> Jim
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Feb 12, 2019, at 9:49 AM, Blocker, Mark B. via Announce <announce at usml.n=
<mailto:announce at usml.n=%0b>> et<mailto:announce at usml.net>> wrote:
> Want to give this more thought, but I think I agree with John=92s point tha=
> t 2x saves puts too much emphasis on saves and defeats our goal of treating=
> holds as equally important.
>
> Also, here are the options Onroto currently allows. I believe the math on =
> option two works out the same as what some have proposed on a relative basi=
> s:
>
> HOSV (Holds + Saves)
>
> SAVES2 (Saves + Holds / 2)
>
> MARK B. BLOCKER
>
>
> SIDLEY AUSTIN LLP
> +1 312 853 6097
> mblocker at sidley.com<mailto:mblocker at sidley.com><mailto:mblocker at sidley.com>
>
> From: Announce <announce-bounces at usml.net<mailto:announce-bounces at usml.net<mailto:announce-bounces at usml.net%3cmailto:announce-bounces at usml.net>>=
>> On Behalf Of Bill Strotman via Announce
> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2019 9:37 AM
> To: USML Announcements <announce at usml.net<mailto:announce at usml.net<mailto:announce at usml.net%3cmailto:announce at usml.net>>>
> Cc: Bill Strotman <bbuddhas at aol.com<mailto:bbuddhas at aol.com<mailto:bbuddhas at aol.com%3cmailto:bbuddhas at aol.com>>>
> Subject: Re: [USML Announce] Saves + Holds Redux
>
> Who cares what=92s most realistic. It=92s fantasy sports
>
> We give same weighting to SB as dingers. That=92s wrong.
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Feb 12, 2019, at 9:14 AM, Frank Luby via Announce <announce at usml.net<mai=
<mailto:announce at usml.net%3cmai=%0b>> lto:announce at usml.net<mailto:announce at usml.net>>> wrote:
> Good points, Mark.
>
> This version re-sorts the right-hand data to make Mark's points clear.
>
> On Tuesday, February 12, 2019, 8:54:09 AM CST, springkerb <springkerb at aol.c=
<mailto:springkerb at aol.c=%0b>> om<mailto:springkerb at aol.com>> wrote:
>
>
> To me, the 2x saves version does a better job of identifying pitchers who c=
> an reliably hold a lead--which I think is what we're trying to measure here=
> . For example, the version that values saves and holds equally says that J=
> ose Alvarado is third in the league. He's a good reliever, but I don't thi=
> nk he was more reliablelast year than Trienen or Chapman. Similarly, the e=
> qually weighted version says the Chaz Roe (Chaz Roe?) was the sixth most re=
> liable holder of leads in the AL. That's nuts.
>
> In general, major league managers use their best relievers later in the gam=
> es, and that makes sense, since holding a lead gets more valuable later in =
> the game. A clean ninth inning improves the team's likelihood of winning m=
> ore when there are fewer innings left to play. So, at least to my eye, the=
> 2x approach does a better job of rewarding better relievers.
>
> Mark
>
>
> Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S=AE6 active, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: JOHN FRUIT <jtfruit at msn.com<mailto:jtfruit at msn.com<mailto:jtfruit at msn.com%3cmailto:jtfruit at msn.com>>>
> Date: 2/12/19 5:19 AM (GMT-06:00)
> To: USML Announcements <announce at usml.net<mailto:announce at usml.net<mailto:announce at usml.net%3cmailto:announce at usml.net>>>, Frank=
> Luby <zachfehsvater at yahoo.com<mailto:zachfehsvater at yahoo.com<mailto:zachfehsvater at yahoo.com%3cmailto:zachfehsvater at yahoo.com>>>, Andy Klein=
> <anrklein at gmail.com<mailto:anrklein at gmail.com<mailto:anrklein at gmail.com%3cmailto:anrklein at gmail.com>>>
> Cc: springkerb <springkerb at aol.com<mailto:springkerb at aol.com<mailto:springkerb at aol.com%3cmailto:springkerb at aol.com>>>
> Subject: Re: [USML Announce] Saves + Holds Redux
>
> What's apparent is that the 2x saves method seems to put even more statisti=
> cal emphasis on the saves category, kinda defeating the purpose.
>
>
>
> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: springkerb via Announce <announce at usml.net<mailto:announce at usml.net<mailto:announce at usml.net%3cmailto:announce at usml.net>>>
> Date: 2/11/19 10:15 PM (GMT-06:00)
> To: Frank Luby <zachfehsvater at yahoo.com<mailto:zachfehsvater at yahoo.com<mailto:zachfehsvater at yahoo.com%3cmailto:zachfehsvater at yahoo.com>>>, A=
> ndy Klein <anrklein at gmail.com<mailto:anrklein at gmail.com<mailto:anrklein at gmail.com%3cmailto:anrklein at gmail.com>>>, USML Announcemen=
> ts <announce at usml.net<mailto:announce at usml.net<mailto:announce at usml.net%3cmailto:announce at usml.net>>>
> Cc: springkerb <springkerb at aol.com<mailto:springkerb at aol.com<mailto:springkerb at aol.com%3cmailto:springkerb at aol.com>>>
> Subject: Re: [USML Announce] Saves + Holds Redux
>
> Cool. It's an interesting comparison.
>
>
>
> Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S=AE6 active, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Frank Luby <zachfehsvater at yahoo.com<mailto:zachfehsvater at yahoo.com<mailto:zachfehsvater at yahoo.com%3cmailto:zachfehsvater at yahoo.com>>>
> Date: 2/11/19 10:02 PM (GMT-06:00)
> To: Andy Klein <anrklein at gmail.com<mailto:anrklein at gmail.com<mailto:anrklein at gmail.com%3cmailto:anrklein at gmail.com>>>, USML Announ=
> cements <announce at usml.net<mailto:announce at usml.net<mailto:announce at usml.net%3cmailto:announce at usml.net>>>
> Cc: springkerb <springkerb at aol.com<mailto:springkerb at aol.com<mailto:springkerb at aol.com%3cmailto:springkerb at aol.com>>>
> Subject: Re: [USML Announce] Saves + Holds Redux
>
> To throw some data into this discussion, here are the top 50 relievers in t=
> he AL last season ranked by the SV+HLD method and the 2xSV+HLD, in a side b=
> y side comparison ...
>
> On Monday, February 11, 2019, 9:44:36 PM CST, springkerb via Announce <anno=
> unce at usml.net<mailto:unce at usml.net><mailto:announce at usml.net>> wrote:
>
>
> I'd like you to reconsider the ratio. There are about twice as many holds =
> as saves. Weighting them equally would actually make the 7th and 8th inning=
> guys more valuable than closers, which just doesn't seem right.
>
> Mark
>
>
>
> Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S=AE6 active, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Andy Klein <anrklein at gmail.com<mailto:anrklein at gmail.com<mailto:anrklein at gmail.com%3cmailto:anrklein at gmail.com>>>
> Date: 2/11/19 7:33 PM (GMT-06:00)
> To: USML Announcements <announce at usml.net<mailto:announce at usml.net<mailto:announce at usml.net%3cmailto:announce at usml.net>>>
> Cc: springkerb <springkerb at aol.com<mailto:springkerb at aol.com<mailto:springkerb at aol.com%3cmailto:springkerb at aol.com>>>
> Subject: Re: [USML Announce] Saves + Holds Redux
>
> Nope ... we talked about it, but never voted on it. I'm actually advocatin=
> g Saves + Holds, not 2XSaves + Holds. I'm fine with 2020 implementation. =
> I'll wait another day and then make a formal proposal.
>
> -Andy
>
> On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 7:02 PM springkerb via Announce <announce at usml.net<=
<mailto:announce at usml.net%3c=%0b>> mailto:announce at usml.net>> wrote:
> See my other email. Thought thiswas a done deal for this year.
>
> Mark
>
>
>
> Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S=AE6 active, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Andy Klein <anrklein at gmail.com<mailto:anrklein at gmail.com<mailto:anrklein at gmail.com%3cmailto:anrklein at gmail.com>>>
> Date: 2/11/19 4:16 PM (GMT-06:00)
> To: USML Announcements <announce at usml.net<mailto:announce at usml.net<mailto:announce at usml.net%3cmailto:announce at usml.net>>>
> Subject: Re: [USML Announce] Saves + Holds Redux
>
> That's four quick positive responses. Eager to hear others ... and whether=
> people would generally prefer to implement in 2020.
>
> -Andy
>
> On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 5:01 PM JOHN FRUIT <jtfruit at msn.com<mailto:jtfruit@=
<mailto:jtfruit at msn.com%3cmailto:jtfruit@=%0b>> msn.com<http://msn.com>>> wrote:
> Yeah, Josh Hader struck out like 50 Cubs in 10+ innings of work and had nar=
> y a save.
>
>
>
> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Frank Luby via Announce <announce at usml.net<mailto:announce at usml.net<mailto:announce at usml.net%3cmailto:announce at usml.net>>>
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> Cc: Frank Luby <zachfehsvater at yahoo.com<mailto:zachfehsvater at yahoo.com<mailto:zachfehsvater at yahoo.com%3cmailto:zachfehsvater at yahoo.com>>>
> Subject: Re: [USML Announce] Saves + Holds Redux
>
> What=92s a closer ...?
>
> Seriously though, I=92m with Andy. Gives a purpose and a strategy to those =
> many many pitchers I refer to as DNH guys (as in =93do no harm=94).
>
> I would be fine with immediate implementation.
>
> - Frank
>
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>> On Feb 11, 2019, at 3:25 PM, Andy Klein <anrklein at gmail.com<mailto:anrkle=
<mailto:anrklein at gmail.com%3cmailto:anrkle=%0b>> in at gmail.com<mailto:in at gmail.com>>> wrote:
>>
>> I proposed this last spring and received a distinctly unenthusiastic resp=
> onse. But I am re-proposing that we move to Saves + Holds as a category in=
> stead of just Saves. That better reflects the reality of MLB pitching valu=
> e today. It also would end what is, IMHO, an inordinate focus on playing t=
> he "closer carousel" in our league.
>>
>> I would be up for doing this immediately -- and I say that as someone who=
> will otherwise retain a closer. But I suppose the typical way of doing th=
> is would be to make it effective next season.
>>
>> Last year, we agreed to implement the change if we voted to do so by mid-=
> season. But the proposal died for lack of interest.
>>
>> Thoughts?
>>
>> -Andy
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> I also still prefer option A, however, to remind everybody, and at the risk=
> of stating the obvious, the difference in using 2xSaves + H is a =
> not so subtle difference than using S + H/2, as Frank attempted to poin=
> t out in his analysis. Basically, using the
> latter eliiminates the effect of actually emphasizing the saves category e=
> ven more, which was the concern of some of us in wishing to introuduce the =
> use of 'holds' as a category. The choice between S+H and S+H/2 is n=
> ow a more clear cut choice on how much to
> value holds....anyway, consider this a Public Service Announcement, that i=
> s all.</div>
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> <div id=3D"divRplyFwdMsg" dir=3D"ltr"><font face=3D"Calibri, sans-serif" co=
> lor=3D"#000000" style=3D"font-size:11pt"><b>From:</b> Announce <announce=
> -bounces at usml.net><mailto:-bounces at usml.net>>; on behalf of Andy Klein <anrklein at gmail.com<mailto:anrklein at gmail.com>><br=
>>
> <b>Sent:</b> Sunday, March 3, 2019 5:27 PM<br>
> <b>To:</b> USML Announcements<br>
> <b>Subject:</b> Re: [USML Announce] Saves + Holds Redux</font>
> <div> </div>
> </div>
> <div>
> <div>
> <div dir=3D"auto">Not a B fan, for reasons previously given. Let's see wher=
> e the votes end up ... & then count hanging chads, etc. :)</div>
> </div>
> <div><br>
> <div class=3D"x_gmail_quote">
> <div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"x_gmail_attr">On Sun, Mar 3, 2019 at 6:10 PM Jim =
> Barrett <<a href=3D"mailto:chicagojab at gmail.com">chicagojab at gmail.com</a<mailto:chicagojab at gmail.com%3c/a>=
>> > wrote:<br>
> </div>
> <blockquote class=3D"x_gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex; border-left=
> :1px #ccc solid; padding-left:1ex">
> <div dir=3D"auto">Looks like B has the momentum. Maybe some A voters (esp t=
> he Prof who has been really pushing the issue) should consider switching to=
> the B side to push it over the goal line. <br>
> <br>
> <div id=3D"x_m_-1842704246558891413AppleMailSignature" dir=3D"ltr">Sent fro=
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> <div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
> On Mar 3, 2019, at 5:02 PM, springkerb--- via Announce <<a href=3D"mailt=
> o:announce at usml.net<mailto:announce at usml.net>" target=3D"_blank">announce at usml.net<mailto:announce at usml.net></a>> wrote:<br>
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> <div dir=3D"ltr"><font color=3D"black" size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial, Helvetica,=
> sans-serif">
> <div>Ditto. Put me down for the amended Option B. It gets to th=
> e same place (and implicitly demonstrates the obviously superior merit=
> s of a weighted approach).</div>
> <div> </div>
> <div>Mark K</div>
> <div> </div>
> <div> </div>
> <div style=3D"color:black; font-family:arial,helvetica; font-size:10pt">---=
> --Original Message-----<br>
> From: Jeffrey Winick <<a href=3D"mailto:jwinick at hwhlegal.com" target=3D"=
> _blank">jwinick at hwhlegal.com<mailto:jwinick at hwhlegal.com></a>><br>
> To: USML Announcements <<a href=3D"mailto:announce at usml.net" target=3D"_=
> blank">announce at usml.net<mailto:announce at usml.net></a>><br>
> Sent: Sun, Mar 3, 2019 3:08 pm<br>
> Subject: Re: [USML Announce] Saves + Holds Redux<br>
> <br>
> <div id=3D"x_m_-1842704246558891413yiv7171773982">
> <div>
> <div class=3D"x_m_-1842704246558891413yiv7171773982WordSection1">
> <div class=3D"x_m_-1842704246558891413yiv7171773982MsoNormal"><span style=
> =3D"font-size:11pt">I vote for amended option B.</span></div>
> <div class=3D"x_m_-1842704246558891413yiv7171773982MsoNormal"><span style=
> =3D"font-size:11pt"> </span></div>
> <div class=3D"x_m_-1842704246558891413yiv7171773982MsoNormal"><span style=
> =3D"font-size:10pt">Jeffrey H. Winick</span><b><span style=3D"color:rgb(31,=
> 73,125)"></span></b></div>
> <div class=3D"x_m_-1842704246558891413yiv7171773982MsoNormal"><b><span styl=
> e=3D"font-size:10pt">H<span style=3D"font-variant:small-caps">arris Winick =
> Harris</span> LLP</span></b></div>
> <div class=3D"x_m_-1842704246558891413yiv7171773982MsoNormal"><span style=
> =3D"font-size:10pt"><a href=3D"https://maps.google.com/?q=3D333+West=
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> p;source=3Dg">333 West Wacker
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> <a href=3D"https://maps.google.com/?q=3D333+West+Wacker+Drive&#=
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> <div class=3D"x_m_-1842704246558891413yiv7171773982MsoNormal"><span style=
> =3D"font-size:10pt"><a href=3D"http://www.hwhlegal.com<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.hwhlegal.com&d=DwMFAw&c=Od00qP2XTg0tXf_H69-T2w&r=WbAFAXbG7On4UBymjb2-zZ6uBgn3IoYJQbFZiA6qMRU&m=ymEZonMAcvwnAAWObbD0t63SdEFVoOePDpQ4UKOVk-M&s=qcPkZXLaBY8_Z4qUId5Z6LBqpoCTqGbmeEJ7JbU_qSE&e=>" rel=3D"noopener nor=
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> </span></b><b><span>| </span></b><span style=3D"font-size:10pt"><a href=3D"=
> mailto:jwinick at hwhlegal.com" rel=3D"noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" tar=
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> <div class=3D"x_m_-1842704246558891413yiv7171773982MsoNormal"><span style=
> =3D"font-size:10pt"> </span></div>
> <div class=3D"x_m_-1842704246558891413yiv7171773982MsoNormal"><span style=
> =3D"font-size:11pt"> </span></div>
> <div class=3D"x_m_-1842704246558891413yiv7171773982yqt4842809638" id=3D"x_m=
> _-1842704246558891413yiv7171773982yqt75766">
> <div class=3D"x_m_-1842704246558891413yiv7171773982MsoNormal"><b><span styl=
> e=3D"font-size:11pt">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:11pt"> Announ=
> ce [<a href=3D"mailto:announce-bounces at usml.net" target=3D"_blank">mailto:a=
> nnounce-bounces at usml.net<mailto:nnounce-bounces at usml.net></a>]
> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Andy Klein<br clear=3D"none">
> <b>Sent:</b> Sunday, March 3, 2019 2:53 PM<br clear=3D"none">
> <b>To:</b> USML Announcements<br clear=3D"none">
> <b>Subject:</b> Re: [USML Announce] Saves + Holds Redux</span></div>
> <div class=3D"x_m_-1842704246558891413yiv7171773982MsoNormal"> </div>
> <div>
> <div class=3D"x_m_-1842704246558891413yiv7171773982MsoNormal">OK - taken as=
> a "friendly amendment" to Option B.</div>
> <div>
> <div class=3D"x_m_-1842704246558891413yiv7171773982MsoNormal"> </div>
> </div>
> <div>
> <div class=3D"x_m_-1842704246558891413yiv7171773982MsoNormal">Again, I vote=
> for Option A.</div>
> </div>
> <div>
> <div class=3D"x_m_-1842704246558891413yiv7171773982MsoNormal"> </div>
> </div>
> <div>
> <div class=3D"x_m_-1842704246558891413yiv7171773982MsoNormal">-Andy</div>
> </div>
> </div>
> <div class=3D"x_m_-1842704246558891413yiv7171773982MsoNormal"> </div>
> <div>
> <div>
> <div class=3D"x_m_-1842704246558891413yiv7171773982MsoNormal">On Sun, Mar 3=
> , 2019 at 3:48 PM Jeffrey Winick <<a href=3D"mailto:jwinick at hwhlegal.com=
> " rel=3D"noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" target=3D"_blank">jwinick at hwhl=
> egal.com<http://egal.com></a>> wrote:</div>
> </div>
> <blockquote style=3D"border-width:medium medium medium 1pt; border-style:no=
> ne none none solid; border-color:currentColor currentColor currentColor rgb=
> (204,204,204); margin:5pt 0in 5pt 4.8pt; padding:0in 0in 0in 6pt">
> <div>
> <div class=3D"x_m_-1842704246558891413yiv7171773982MsoNormal">Andy, </div>
> <div>
> <div class=3D"x_m_-1842704246558891413yiv7171773982MsoNormal"> </div>
> </div>
> <div>
> <div class=3D"x_m_-1842704246558891413yiv7171773982MsoNormal" style=3D"marg=
> in-bottom:12pt">
> I think that a vote of this sort is a great idea. However, the website only=
> supports Saves + Holds/2. So I=92d strongly recommend that we vote on =
> that alternative. </div>
> <div id=3D"x_m_-1842704246558891413yiv7171773982gmail-m_-845594080631526243=
> 9AppleMailSignature">
> <div class=3D"x_m_-1842704246558891413yiv7171773982MsoNormal">Jeffrey H. Wi=
> nick </div>
> <div>
> <div class=3D"x_m_-1842704246558891413yiv7171773982MsoNormal">Harris Winick=
> Harris LLP</div>
> </div>
> <div>
> <div class=3D"x_m_-1842704246558891413yiv7171773982MsoNormal"><a href=3D"ht=
> tps://maps.google.com/?q=3D333+West+Wacker+Drive+%0D%0A+=
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> 0A+%0D%0A+%0D%0A%0D%0A%0D%0A+%0D%0A%0D%0A+Chicago,+IL&#=
> 43;60606&entry=3Dgmail&source=3Dg">333
> West Wacker Drive</a></div>
> <a href=3D"https://maps.google.com/?q=3D333+West+Wacker+Drive&#=
> 43;%0D%0A+%0D%0A+%0D%0A%0D%0A%0D%0A+%0D%0A%0D%0A+Suite+=
> 2060+%0D%0A+%0D%0A+%0D%0A%0D%0A%0D%0A+%0D%0A%0D%0A+Chic=
> ago,+IL+60606&entry=3Dgmail&source=3Dg"></a></div>
> <a href=3D"https://maps.google.com/?q=3D333+West+Wacker+Drive&#=
> 43;%0D%0A+%0D%0A+%0D%0A%0D%0A%0D%0A+%0D%0A%0D%0A+Suite+=
> 2060+%0D%0A+%0D%0A+%0D%0A%0D%0A%0D%0A+%0D%0A%0D%0A+Chic=
> ago,+IL+60606&entry=3Dgmail&source=3Dg"></a>
> <div><a href=3D"https://maps.google.com/?q=3D333+West+Wacker+Dr=
> ive+%0D%0A+%0D%0A+%0D%0A%0D%0A%0D%0A+%0D%0A%0D%0A+Suite=
> +2060+%0D%0A+%0D%0A+%0D%0A%0D%0A%0D%0A+%0D%0A%0D%0A+=
> ;Chicago,+IL+60606&entry=3Dgmail&source=3Dg"></a>
> <div class=3D"x_m_-1842704246558891413yiv7171773982MsoNormal"><a href=3D"ht=
> tps://maps.google.com/?q=3D333+West+Wacker+Drive+%0D%0A+=
> ;%0D%0A+%0D%0A%0D%0A%0D%0A+%0D%0A%0D%0A+Suite+2060+%0D%=
> 0A+%0D%0A+%0D%0A%0D%0A%0D%0A+%0D%0A%0D%0A+Chicago,+IL&#=
> 43;60606&entry=3Dgmail&source=3Dg">Suite
> 2060</a></div>
> <a href=3D"https://maps.google.com/?q=3D333+West+Wacker+Drive&#=
> 43;%0D%0A+%0D%0A+%0D%0A%0D%0A%0D%0A+%0D%0A%0D%0A+Suite+=
> 2060+%0D%0A+%0D%0A+%0D%0A%0D%0A%0D%0A+%0D%0A%0D%0A+Chic=
> ago,+IL+60606&entry=3Dgmail&source=3Dg"></a></div>
> <a href=3D"https://maps.google.com/?q=3D333+West+Wacker+Drive&#=
> 43;%0D%0A+%0D%0A+%0D%0A%0D%0A%0D%0A+%0D%0A%0D%0A+Suite+=
> 2060+%0D%0A+%0D%0A+%0D%0A%0D%0A%0D%0A+%0D%0A%0D%0A+Chic=
> ago,+IL+60606&entry=3Dgmail&source=3Dg"></a>
> <div><a href=3D"https://maps.google.com/?q=3D333+West+Wacker+Dr=
> ive+%0D%0A+%0D%0A+%0D%0A%0D%0A%0D%0A+%0D%0A%0D%0A+Suite=
> +2060+%0D%0A+%0D%0A+%0D%0A%0D%0A%0D%0A+%0D%0A%0D%0A+=
> ;Chicago,+IL+60606&entry=3Dgmail&source=3Dg"></a>
> <div class=3D"x_m_-1842704246558891413yiv7171773982MsoNormal"><a href=3D"ht=
> tps://maps.google.com/?q=3D333+West+Wacker+Drive+%0D%0A+=
> ;%0D%0A+%0D%0A%0D%0A%0D%0A+%0D%0A%0D%0A+Suite+2060+%0D%=
> 0A+%0D%0A+%0D%0A%0D%0A%0D%0A+%0D%0A%0D%0A+Chicago,+IL&#=
> 43;60606&entry=3Dgmail&source=3Dg">Chicago,
> IL 60606</a></div>
> </div>
> <div>
> <div class=3D"x_m_-1842704246558891413yiv7171773982MsoNormal">(312) 662-460=
> 2</div>
> </div>
> <div>
> <div class=3D"x_m_-1842704246558891413yiv7171773982MsoNormal">(312) 841-281=
> 7 (cell)</div>
> </div>
> </div>
> <div>
> <div class=3D"x_m_-1842704246558891413yiv7171773982MsoNormal" style=3D"marg=
> in-bottom:12pt">
> <br clear=3D"none">
> On Mar 3, 2019, at 2:43 PM, Andy Klein <<a href=3D"mailto:anrklein at gmail=
> .com" rel=3D"noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" target=3D"_blank">anrklein=
> @gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div>
> </div>
> <blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5pt; margin-bottom:5pt">
> <div>
> <div>
> <div class=3D"x_m_-1842704246558891413yiv7171773982MsoNormal">Starting agai=
> n with the caveat that this is not an end-of-the world issue, I'm taking on=
> e more swing at this.
> </div>
> <div>
> <div class=3D"x_m_-1842704246558891413yiv7171773982MsoNormal"> </div>
> </div>
> <div>
> <div class=3D"x_m_-1842704246558891413yiv7171773982MsoNormal">It seems we h=
> ave a clear majority in favor of including holds in some fashion in our sco=
> ring system in 2020. I propose a vote on one of two alternatives.</di=
> v>
> </div>
> <div>
> <div class=3D"x_m_-1842704246558891413yiv7171773982MsoNormal"> </div>
> </div>
> <div>
> <div class=3D"x_m_-1842704246558891413yiv7171773982MsoNormal">A. Hold=
> s + Saves</div>
> </div>
> <div>
> <div class=3D"x_m_-1842704246558891413yiv7171773982MsoNormal">B Holds=
> + 2XSaves</div>
> </div>
> <div>
> <div class=3D"x_m_-1842704246558891413yiv7171773982MsoNormal"> </div>
> </div>
> <div>
> <div class=3D"x_m_-1842704246558891413yiv7171773982MsoNormal">In the past, =
> we haven't changed rules unless we have a strong majority in favor. C=
> ommissioners ... can we vote and see where we stand? Knowing the=
> outcome could have an impact on bidding this year.</div>
> </div>
> <div>
> <div class=3D"x_m_-1842704246558891413yiv7171773982MsoNormal"> </div>
> </div>
> <div>
> <div class=3D"x_m_-1842704246558891413yiv7171773982MsoNormal">-Andy<br clea=
> r=3D"none">
> <br clear=3D"none">
> PS: I vote for option A - Saves + Holds. :)</div>
> </div>
> </div>
> <div class=3D"x_m_-1842704246558891413yiv7171773982MsoNormal"> </div>
> <div>
> <div>
> <div class=3D"x_m_-1842704246558891413yiv7171773982MsoNormal">On Wed, Feb 1=
> 3, 2019 at 12:33 PM Andy Klein <<a href=3D"mailto:anrklein at gmail.com" re=
> l=3D"noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" target=3D"_blank">anrklein at gmail.c<mailto:anrklein at gmail.c>=
> om</a>> wrote:</div>
> </div>
> <blockquote style=3D"border-width:medium medium medium 1pt; border-style:no=
> ne none none solid; border-color:currentColor currentColor currentColor rgb=
> (204,204,204); margin:5pt 0in 5pt 4.8pt; padding:0in 0in 0in 6pt">
> <div>
> <div class=3D"x_m_-1842704246558891413yiv7171773982MsoNormal">In the end, t=
> his is not a huge issue to me, regardless of whether we stick with S, go to=
> S+H or 2S+H. But it's kind of interesting, and I enjoy procr=
> astinating during the lunch hour by looking at
> it! </div>
> <div>
> <div class=3D"x_m_-1842704246558891413yiv7171773982MsoNormal"> </div>
> </div>
> <div>
> <div class=3D"x_m_-1842704246558891413yiv7171773982MsoNormal">I suppose you=
> could find odd comparisons either way, but I still like S+H better.&nb=
> sp; Doubling the value of saves retains the huge value gap between 9th inni=
> ng pitchers and others, and does much less
> to reduce the dynamic that encourages our artificial chasing of the "=
> closer carousel." So, to me, it's not just the relative rankings=
> in the spreadsheets that Frank created. It's the gap. Here's o=
> ne example. When you double the value of saves, Shane Greene
> collects twice as many counting points as stronger pitchers like Colome, R=
> obertson, and Betances. With S+H, Greene still ranks higher, gett=
> ing the "bump" for being a 9th inning guy. But the gap is m=
> uch narrower. That's a much better outcome in my view. </d=
> iv>
> </div>
> <div>
> <div class=3D"x_m_-1842704246558891413yiv7171773982MsoNormal"> </div>
> </div>
> <div>
> <div class=3D"x_m_-1842704246558891413yiv7171773982MsoNormal">As for some o=
> dd names showing up high in the S+H rankings (Alvarado, Roe, Trivino), =
> that just reflects our longstanding bias. They are "no-names&quo=
> t; to us because our scoring system doesn't place any
> value on what they do even though they are good pitchers.</div>
> </div>
> <div>
> <div class=3D"x_m_-1842704246558891413yiv7171773982MsoNormal"> </div>
> </div>
> <div>
> <div class=3D"x_m_-1842704246558891413yiv7171773982MsoNormal">-Andy &=
> nbsp;</div>
> </div>
> </div>
> <div class=3D"x_m_-1842704246558891413yiv7171773982MsoNormal"> </div>
> <div>
> <div>
> <div class=3D"x_m_-1842704246558891413yiv7171773982MsoNormal">On Tue, Feb 1=
> 2, 2019 at 12:57 PM springkerb--- via Announce <<a href=3D"mailto:announ=
> ce at usml.net<mailto:ce at usml.net>" rel=3D"noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" target=3D"_blank">a=
> nnounce at usml.net<mailto:nnounce at usml.net></a>> wrote:</div>
> </div>
> <blockquote style=3D"border-width:medium medium medium 1pt; border-style:no=
> ne none none solid; border-color:currentColor currentColor currentColor rgb=
> (204,204,204); margin:5pt 0in 5pt 4.8pt; padding:0in 0in 0in 6pt">
> <div>
> <div class=3D"x_m_-1842704246558891413yiv7171773982MsoNormal"><span style=
> =3D"font-size:10pt">Not so slight. In the Luby comparison, Alvarado j=
> umps from 10th to 3rd. Roe jumps from 14th to 6th. And a bunch =
> of nobodies after about #20 go from the obscurity they
> deserve to real value.</span></div>
> </div>
> <div>
> <div class=3D"x_m_-1842704246558891413yiv7171773982MsoNormal"><span style=
> =3D"font-size:10pt"> </span></div>
> </div>
> <div>
> <div class=3D"x_m_-1842704246558891413yiv7171773982MsoNormal"><span style=
> =3D"font-size:10pt">Mark K </span></div>
> </div>
> <div>
> <div class=3D"x_m_-1842704246558891413yiv7171773982MsoNormal"><span style=
> =3D"font-size:10pt"> </span></div>
> </div>
> <div>
> <div class=3D"x_m_-1842704246558891413yiv7171773982MsoNormal"><span style=
> =3D"font-size:10pt"> </span></div>
> </div>
> <div>
> <div class=3D"x_m_-1842704246558891413yiv7171773982MsoNormal" style=3D"marg=
> in-bottom:12pt">
> <span style=3D"font-size:10pt">-----Original Message-----<br clear=3D"none"=
>>
> From: Blocker, Mark B. <<a href=3D"mailto:mblocker at sidley.com" rel=3D"no=
> opener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" target=3D"_blank">mblocker at sidley.com<mailto:mblocker at sidley.com></a>=
> ><br clear=3D"none">
> To: USML Announcements <<a href=3D"mailto:announce at usml.net" rel=3D"noop=
> ener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" target=3D"_blank">announce at usml.net<mailto:announce at usml.net></a>>=
> <br clear=3D"none">
> Cc: <a href=3D"mailto:springkerb at aol.com" rel=3D"noopener noreferrer" shape=
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> springkerb at aol.com<mailto:springkerb at aol.com></a> <<a href=3D"mailto:springkerb at aol.com" rel=3D"noo=
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> Sent: Tue, Feb 12, 2019 11:49 am<br clear=3D"none">
> Subject: RE: [USML Announce] Saves + Holds Redux</span></div>
> <div id=3D"x_m_-1842704246558891413yiv7171773982gmail-m_-845594080631526243=
> 9gmail-m_-8452046286561511265gmail-m_-5880265916494247293yiv6475739962">
> <div>
> <div>
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> <div class=3D"x_m_-1842704246558891413yiv7171773982MsoNormal"><span style=
> =3D"font-size:14pt">Point taken. =93Substantial value=94? Seems=
> the likely impact is slight decrease in value of closers and slight increa=
> se in value of some middle relievers.
> </span><span style=3D"font-size:10pt"></span></div>
> </div>
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> <div class=3D"x_m_-1842704246558891413yiv7171773982MsoNormal"><span style=
> =3D"font-size:14pt"> </span><span style=3D"font-size:10pt"></span></di=
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> e=3D"font-size:10pt">MARK B. BLOCKER</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:9pt=
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> 735">
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> <div class=3D"x_m_-1842704246558891413yiv7171773982MsoNormal"><b><span styl=
> e=3D"font-size:11pt">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:11pt"> Announ=
> ce <<a href=3D"mailto:announce-bounces at usml.net" rel=3D"noopener norefer=
> rer" shape=3D"rect" target=3D"_blank">announce-bounces at usml.net<mailto:announce-bounces at usml.net></a>>
> <b>On Behalf Of </b>springkerb--- via Announce<br clear=3D"none">
> <b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, February 12, 2019 11:44 AM<br clear=3D"none">
> <b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:announce at usml.net" rel=3D"noopener noreferrer"=
> shape=3D"rect" target=3D"_blank">
> announce at usml.net<mailto:announce at usml.net></a><br clear=3D"none">
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> springkerb at aol.com<mailto:springkerb at aol.com></a><br clear=3D"none">
> <b>Subject:</b> Re: [USML Announce] Saves + Holds Redux</span><span sty=
> le=3D"font-size:10pt"></span></div>
> </div>
> <div style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">
> <div class=3D"x_m_-1842704246558891413yiv7171773982MsoNormal"><span style=
> =3D"font-size:10pt"> </span></div>
> </div>
> <div>
> <div style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">
> <div class=3D"x_m_-1842704246558891413yiv7171773982MsoNormal"><span style=
> =3D"font-size:10pt">To Jim's point re multiple holds being available per ga=
> me, the main thing I was trying to do w/ my approach is to value both holds=
> and saves equally,
> <u>relative to the number of saves and holds available</u>. The ratio=
> was pretty close to 2:1 last year (actually about 2.1:1). So if we g=
> o to a 2:1 ratio, then we'd be valuing all available holds and all availabl=
> e saves approximately equally. I think if
> you look at Buddha's comparison, the most obvious and questionable shifts =
> in value involve middle relievers that aren't particularly good pitchers bu=
> t get a lot of appearances in the sixth or seventh inning--e.g., Chaz Roe.&=
> nbsp; To me, those guys are greatly overvalued
> by a 1:1 ratio. Particularly when you get down to the guys below abo=
> ut the top 20, the 1:1 ratio gives substantial value to some guys who just =
> aren't very good pitchers.</span></div>
> </div>
> </div>
> <div>
> <div style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">
> <div class=3D"x_m_-1842704246558891413yiv7171773982MsoNormal"><span style=
> =3D"font-size:10pt"> </span></div>
> </div>
> </div>
> <div>
> <div style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">
> <div class=3D"x_m_-1842704246558891413yiv7171773982MsoNormal"><span style=
> =3D"font-size:10pt">Mark</span></div>
> </div>
> </div>
> <div>
> <div style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">
> <div class=3D"x_m_-1842704246558891413yiv7171773982MsoNormal"><span style=
> =3D"font-size:10pt"> </span></div>
> </div>
> </div>
> <div>
> <div style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">
> <div class=3D"x_m_-1842704246558891413yiv7171773982MsoNormal"><span style=
> =3D"font-size:10pt"> </span></div>
> </div>
> </div>
> <div>
> <div style=3D"margin-bottom:12pt; margin-left:0.5in">
> <div class=3D"x_m_-1842704246558891413yiv7171773982MsoNormal"><span style=
> =3D"font-size:10pt">-----Original Message-----<br clear=3D"none">
> From: Jim Barrett <<a href=3D"mailto:chicagojab at gmail.com" rel=3D"noopen=
> er noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" target=3D"_blank">chicagojab at gmail.com<mailto:chicagojab at gmail.com></a>>=
> ;<br clear=3D"none">
> To: USML Announcements <<a href=3D"mailto:announce at usml.net" rel=3D"noop=
> ener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" target=3D"_blank">announce at usml.net<mailto:announce at usml.net></a>>=
> <br clear=3D"none">
> Sent: Tue, Feb 12, 2019 10:59 am<br clear=3D"none">
> Subject: Re: [USML Announce] Saves + Holds Redux</span></div>
> </div>
> <div id=3D"x_m_-1842704246558891413yiv7171773982gmail-m_-845594080631526243=
> 9gmail-m_-8452046286561511265gmail-m_-5880265916494247293yiv6475739962">
> <div>
> <div style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">
> <div class=3D"x_m_-1842704246558891413yiv7171773982MsoNormal"><span style=
> =3D"font-size:10pt">That=92s assuming that everyone=92s goal is to value sa=
> ves and holds equally important. From my perspective, I=92d like to r=
> ecognize holds as having some value but I still view
> saves more important for several reasons. Like it or not but saves are an =
> official statistic of MLB but I don=92t believe holds are. Only 1 save can =
> be given out in a game whereas more than 1 hold can be given. Basebal=
> l is a tradition bound game more than most
> sports and the save and closer has the tradition behind it whereas holds d=
> o not. If we all want to go total saber, we=92d get rid of Wins and BA too.=
> So in sum if we make a change, I=92m in favor of weighting saves more heav=
> ily. And no on future requests to have
> a WAR or OPS+ category! :-) </span></div>
> </div>
> <div>
> <div style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">
> <div class=3D"x_m_-1842704246558891413yiv7171773982MsoNormal"><span style=
> =3D"font-size:10pt"> </span></div>
> </div>
> </div>
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> <div style=3D"margin-bottom:12pt; margin-left:0.5in">
> <div class=3D"x_m_-1842704246558891413yiv7171773982MsoNormal"><span style=
> =3D"font-size:10pt">Jim</span></div>
> </div>
> <div id=3D"x_m_-1842704246558891413yiv7171773982gmail-m_-845594080631526243=
> 9gmail-m_-8452046286561511265gmail-m_-5880265916494247293yiv6475739962Apple=
> MailSignature">
> <div style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">
> <div class=3D"x_m_-1842704246558891413yiv7171773982MsoNormal"><span style=
> =3D"font-size:10pt">Sent from my iPhone</span></div>
> </div>
> </div>
> <div id=3D"x_m_-1842704246558891413yiv7171773982gmail-m_-845594080631526243=
> 9gmail-m_-8452046286561511265gmail-m_-5880265916494247293yiv6475739962yqt16=
> 171">
> <div>
> <div style=3D"margin-bottom:12pt; margin-left:0.5in">
> <div class=3D"x_m_-1842704246558891413yiv7171773982MsoNormal"><span style=
> =3D"font-size:10pt"><br clear=3D"none">
> On Feb 12, 2019, at 9:49 AM, Blocker, Mark B. via Announce <<a href=3D"m=
> ailto:announce at usml.net<mailto:announce at usml.net>" rel=3D"noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" target=
> =3D"_blank">announce at usml.net<mailto:announce at usml.net></a>> wrote:</span></div>
> </div>
> </div>
> </div>
> </div>
> </div>
> <div>
> <div id=3D"x_m_-1842704246558891413yiv7171773982gmail-m_-845594080631526243=
> 9gmail-m_-8452046286561511265gmail-m_-5880265916494247293yiv6475739962yqt34=
> 118">
> <div>
> <div>
> <div style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">
> <div class=3D"x_m_-1842704246558891413yiv7171773982MsoNormal"><span style=
> =3D"font-size:14pt">Want to give this more thought, but I think I agree wit=
> h John=92s point that 2x saves puts too much emphasis on saves and defeats =
> our goal of treating holds as equally important.</span><span style=3D"font-=
> size:10pt"></span></div>
> </div>
> </div>
> <div>
> <div style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">
> <div class=3D"x_m_-1842704246558891413yiv7171773982MsoNormal"><span style=
> =3D"font-size:14pt"> </span><span style=3D"font-size:10pt"></span></di=
> v>
> </div>
> </div>
> <div>
> <div style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">
> <div class=3D"x_m_-1842704246558891413yiv7171773982MsoNormal"><span style=
> =3D"font-size:14pt">Also, here are the options Onroto currently allows.&nbs=
> p; I believe the math on option two works out the same as what some have pr=
> oposed on a relative basis:</span><span style=3D"font-size:10pt"></span></d=
> iv>
> </div>
> </div>
> <div>
> <div style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">
> <div class=3D"x_m_-1842704246558891413yiv7171773982MsoNormal"><span style=
> =3D"font-size:14pt"> </span><span style=3D"font-size:10pt"></span></di=
> v>
> </div>
> </div>
> <div>
> <div style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">
> <div class=3D"x_m_-1842704246558891413yiv7171773982MsoNormal"><span style=
> =3D"font-size:14pt">HOSV (Holds + Saves)</span><span style=3D"font-size=
> :10pt"></span></div>
> </div>
> </div>
> <div>
> <div style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">
> <div class=3D"x_m_-1842704246558891413yiv7171773982MsoNormal"><span style=
> =3D"font-size:14pt">
> </span><span style=3D"font-size:10pt"></span></div>
> </div>
> </div>
> <div>
> <div style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">
> <div class=3D"x_m_-1842704246558891413yiv7171773982MsoNormal"><span style=
> =3D"font-size:14pt">SAVES2 (Saves + Holds / 2)</span><span style=3D"fon=
> t-size:10pt"></span></div>
> </div>
> </div>
> <div>
> <div style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">
> <div class=3D"x_m_-1842704246558891413yiv7171773982MsoNormal"><span style=
> =3D"font-size:14pt"> </span><span style=3D"font-size:10pt"></span></di=
> v>
> </div>
> </div>
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> <div class=3D"x_m_-1842704246558891413yiv7171773982MsoNormal"><b><span styl=
> e=3D"font-size:10pt">MARK B. BLOCKER</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:9pt=
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> <b>SIDLEY AUSTIN LLP<br clear=3D"none">
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> mblocker at sidley.com<mailto:mblocker at sidley.com></a></span><span style=3D"font-size:10pt"></span></div>
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> border-color:currentColor; padding:3pt 0in 0in">
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> <div style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">
> <div class=3D"x_m_-1842704246558891413yiv7171773982MsoNormal"><b><span styl=
> e=3D"font-size:11pt">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:11pt"> Announ=
> ce <<a href=3D"mailto:announce-bounces at usml.net" rel=3D"noopener norefer=
> rer" shape=3D"rect" target=3D"_blank">announce-bounces at usml.net<mailto:announce-bounces at usml.net></a>>
> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Bill Strotman via Announce<br clear=3D"none">
> <b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, February 12, 2019 9:37 AM<br clear=3D"none">
> <b>To:</b> USML Announcements <<a href=3D"mailto:announce at usml.net" rel=
> =3D"noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" target=3D"_blank">announce at usml.net<mailto:announce at usml.net>=
> </a>><br clear=3D"none">
> <b>Cc:</b> Bill Strotman <<a href=3D"mailto:bbuddhas at aol.com" rel=3D"noo=
> pener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" target=3D"_blank">bbuddhas at aol.com<mailto:bbuddhas at aol.com></a>>=
> <br clear=3D"none">
> <b>Subject:</b> Re: [USML Announce] Saves + Holds Redux</span><span sty=
> le=3D"font-size:10pt"></span></div>
> </div>
> </div>
> </div>
> </div>
> <div style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">
> <div style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">
> <div class=3D"x_m_-1842704246558891413yiv7171773982MsoNormal"><span style=
> =3D"font-size:10pt"> </span></div>
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> <div style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">
> <div style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">
> <div class=3D"x_m_-1842704246558891413yiv7171773982MsoNormal"><span style=
> =3D"font-size:10pt">Who cares what=92s most realistic. It=92s fantas=
> y sports </span></div>
> </div>
> </div>
> <div>
> <div style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">
> <div style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">
> <div class=3D"x_m_-1842704246558891413yiv7171773982MsoNormal"><span style=
> =3D"font-size:10pt"> </span></div>
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> </div>
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> <div style=3D"margin-bottom:12pt; margin-left:0.5in">
> <div style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">
> <div class=3D"x_m_-1842704246558891413yiv7171773982MsoNormal"><span style=
> =3D"font-size:10pt">We give same weighting to SB as dingers. That=92=
> s wrong. </span></div>
> </div>
> </div>
> <div id=3D"x_m_-1842704246558891413yiv7171773982gmail-m_-845594080631526243=
> 9gmail-m_-8452046286561511265gmail-m_-5880265916494247293yiv6475739962Apple=
> MailSignature">
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> <div style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">
> <div class=3D"x_m_-1842704246558891413yiv7171773982MsoNormal"><span style=
> =3D"font-size:10pt">Sent from my iPhone</span></div>
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> <div style=3D"margin-bottom:12pt; margin-left:0.5in">
> <div style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">
> <div class=3D"x_m_-1842704246558891413yiv7171773982MsoNormal"><span style=
> =3D"font-size:10pt"><br clear=3D"none">
> On Feb 12, 2019, at 9:14 AM, Frank Luby via Announce <<a href=3D"mailto:=
> announce at usml.net<mailto:announce at usml.net>" rel=3D"noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" target=3D"_bl=
> ank">announce at usml.net<mailto:announce at usml.net></a>> wrote:</span></div>
> </div>
> </div>
> </div>
> <blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5pt; margin-bottom:5pt">
> <div>
> <div>
> <div>
> <div style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">
> <div style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">
> <div class=3D"x_m_-1842704246558891413yiv7171773982MsoNormal"><span style=
> =3D"font-size:10pt">Good points, Mark.</span></div>
> </div>
> </div>
> </div>
> <div>
> <div style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">
> <div style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">
> <div class=3D"x_m_-1842704246558891413yiv7171773982MsoNormal"><span style=
> =3D"font-size:10pt"> </span></div>
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> </div>
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> <div>
> <div style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">
> <div style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">
> <div class=3D"x_m_-1842704246558891413yiv7171773982MsoNormal"><span style=
> =3D"font-size:10pt">This version re-sorts the right-hand data to make Mark'=
> s points clear.</span></div>
> </div>
> </div>
> </div>
> <div>
> <div style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">
> <div style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">
> <div class=3D"x_m_-1842704246558891413yiv7171773982MsoNormal"><span style=
> =3D"font-size:10pt"> </span></div>
> </div>
> </div>
> </div>
> </div>
> <div id=3D"x_m_-1842704246558891413yiv7171773982gmail-m_-845594080631526243=
> 9gmail-m_-8452046286561511265gmail-m_-5880265916494247293yiv6475739962ydp2e=
> 7e82b6yahoo_quoted_0568094327">
> <div>
> <div>
> <div style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">
> <div style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">
> <div class=3D"x_m_-1842704246558891413yiv7171773982MsoNormal"><span style=
> =3D"font-size:10pt">On Tuesday, February 12, 2019, 8:54:09 AM CST, springke=
> rb <<a href=3D"mailto:springkerb at aol.com" rel=3D"noopener noreferrer" sh=
> ape=3D"rect" target=3D"_blank">springkerb at aol.com<mailto:springkerb at aol.com></a>>
> wrote: </span></div>
> </div>
> </div>
> </div>
> <div>
> <div style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">
> <div style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">
> <div class=3D"x_m_-1842704246558891413yiv7171773982MsoNormal"><span style=
> =3D"font-size:10pt"> </span></div>
> </div>
> </div>
> </div>
> <div>
> <div style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">
> <div style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">
> <div class=3D"x_m_-1842704246558891413yiv7171773982MsoNormal"><span style=
> =3D"font-size:10pt"> </span></div>
> </div>
> </div>
> </div>
> <div>
> <div id=3D"x_m_-1842704246558891413yiv7171773982gmail-m_-845594080631526243=
> 9gmail-m_-8452046286561511265gmail-m_-5880265916494247293yiv6475739962ydp2e=
> 7e82b6yiv3731181299">
> <div>
> <div>
> <div style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">
> <div style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">
> <div class=3D"x_m_-1842704246558891413yiv7171773982MsoNormal"><span style=
> =3D"font-size:10pt">To me, the 2x saves version does a better job of identi=
> fying pitchers who can reliably hold a lead--which I think is what we're tr=
> ying to measure here. For example, the
> version that values saves and holds equally says that Jose Alvarado is thi=
> rd in the league. He's a good reliever, but I don't think he was more=
> reliablelast year than Trienen or Chapman. Similarly, the equally we=
> ighted version says the Chaz Roe (Chaz Roe?)
> was the sixth most reliable holder of leads in the AL. That's nuts.<=
> /span></div>
> </div>
> </div>
> </div>
> <div>
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> <div style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">
> <div class=3D"x_m_-1842704246558891413yiv7171773982MsoNormal"><span style=
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> <div style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">
> <div class=3D"x_m_-1842704246558891413yiv7171773982MsoNormal"><span style=
> =3D"font-size:10pt">In general, major league managers use their best reliev=
> ers later in the games, and that makes sense, since holding a lead gets mor=
> e valuable later in the game. A clean
> ninth inning improves the team's likelihood of winning more when there are=
> fewer innings left to play. So, at least to my eye, the 2x approach =
> does a better job of rewarding better relievers. </span></div>
> </div>
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> <div class=3D"x_m_-1842704246558891413yiv7171773982MsoNormal"><span style=
> =3D"font-size:10pt">Mark</span></div>
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> 9gmail-m_-8452046286561511265gmail-m_-5880265916494247293yiv6475739962ydp2e=
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> =3D"font-size:10pt">From: JOHN FRUIT <<a href=3D"mailto:jtfruit at msn.com"=
> rel=3D"noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" target=3D"_blank">jtfruit at msn.c<mailto:jtfruit at msn.c>=
> om</a>>
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> <div style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">
> <div class=3D"x_m_-1842704246558891413yiv7171773982MsoNormal"><span style=
> =3D"font-size:10pt">Date: 2/12/19 5:19 AM (GMT-06:00)
> </span></div>
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> <div style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">
> <div class=3D"x_m_-1842704246558891413yiv7171773982MsoNormal"><span style=
> =3D"font-size:10pt">To: USML Announcements <<a href=3D"mailto:announce at u=
> sml.net<http://sml.net>" rel=3D"noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" target=3D"_blank">annou=
> nce at usml.net<mailto:nce at usml.net></a>>, Frank Luby <<a href=3D"mailto:zachfehsvater at yahoo.=
> com" rel=3D"noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" target=3D"_blank">zachfehsv=
> ater at yahoo.com<mailto:ater at yahoo.com></a>>,
> Andy Klein <<a href=3D"mailto:anrklein at gmail.com" rel=3D"noopener noref=
> errer" shape=3D"rect" target=3D"_blank">anrklein at gmail.com<mailto:anrklein at gmail.com></a>>
> </span></div>
> </div>
> </div>
> </div>
> <div>
> <div style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">
> <div style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">
> <div class=3D"x_m_-1842704246558891413yiv7171773982MsoNormal"><span style=
> =3D"font-size:10pt">Cc: springkerb <<a href=3D"mailto:springkerb at aol.com=
> " rel=3D"noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" target=3D"_blank">springkerb at a=
> ol.com<http://ol.com></a>>
> </span></div>
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> <div style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">
> <div class=3D"x_m_-1842704246558891413yiv7171773982MsoNormal"><span style=
> =3D"font-size:10pt">Subject: Re: [USML Announce] Saves + Holds Redux
> </span></div>
> </div>
> </div>
> </div>
> <div>
> <div style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">
> <div style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">
> <div class=3D"x_m_-1842704246558891413yiv7171773982MsoNormal"><span style=
> =3D"font-size:10pt"> </span></div>
> </div>
> </div>
> </div>
> </div>
> <div>
> <div style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">
> <div style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">
> <div class=3D"x_m_-1842704246558891413yiv7171773982MsoNormal"><span style=
> =3D"font-size:10pt">What's apparent is that the 2x saves method seems to pu=
> t even more statistical emphasis on the saves category, kinda defeating the=
> purpose.</span></div>
> </div>
> </div>
> </div>
> <div>
> <div style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">
> <div style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">
> <div class=3D"x_m_-1842704246558891413yiv7171773982MsoNormal"><span style=
> =3D"font-size:10pt"> </span></div>
> </div>
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> <div style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">
> <div class=3D"x_m_-1842704246558891413yiv7171773982MsoNormal"><span style=
> =3D"font-size:10pt"> </span></div>
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> <div style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">
> <div class=3D"x_m_-1842704246558891413yiv7171773982MsoNormal"><span style=
> =3D"font-size:10pt"> </span></div>
> </div>
> </div>
> </div>
> <div id=3D"x_m_-1842704246558891413yiv7171773982gmail-m_-845594080631526243=
> 9gmail-m_-8452046286561511265gmail-m_-5880265916494247293yiv6475739962ydp2e=
> 7e82b6yiv3731181299composer_signature">
> <div>
> <div style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">
> <div style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">
> <div class=3D"x_m_-1842704246558891413yiv7171773982MsoNormal"><span style=
> =3D"font-size:8.5pt">Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone</span>=
> <span style=3D"font-size:10pt"></span></div>
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> <div style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">
> <div class=3D"x_m_-1842704246558891413yiv7171773982MsoNormal"><span style=
> =3D"font-size:10pt">-------- Original message --------</span></div>
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> <div style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">
> <div style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">
> <div class=3D"x_m_-1842704246558891413yiv7171773982MsoNormal"><span style=
> =3D"font-size:10pt">From: springkerb via Announce <<a href=3D"mailto:ann=
> ounce at usml.net<mailto:ounce at usml.net>" rel=3D"noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" target=3D"_blank=
> ">announce at usml.net<mailto:announce at usml.net></a>>
> </span></div>
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> <div style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">
> <div class=3D"x_m_-1842704246558891413yiv7171773982MsoNormal"><span style=
> =3D"font-size:10pt">Date: 2/11/19 10:15 PM (GMT-06:00)
> </span></div>
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> <div style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">
> <div style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">
> <div class=3D"x_m_-1842704246558891413yiv7171773982MsoNormal"><span style=
> =3D"font-size:10pt">To: Frank Luby <<a href=3D"mailto:zachfehsvater at yaho=
> o.com<http://o.com>" rel=3D"noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" target=3D"_blank">zachfeh=
> svater at yahoo.com<mailto:svater at yahoo.com></a>>, Andy Klein <<a href=3D"mailto:anrklein at gmail.c=
> om" rel=3D"noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" target=3D"_blank">anrklein at g=
> mail.com<http://mail.com></a>>,
> USML Announcements <<a href=3D"mailto:announce at usml.net" rel=3D"noopene=
> r noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" target=3D"_blank">announce at usml.net<mailto:announce at usml.net></a>>
> </span></div>
> </div>
> </div>
> </div>
> <div>
> <div style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">
> <div style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">
> <div class=3D"x_m_-1842704246558891413yiv7171773982MsoNormal"><span style=
> =3D"font-size:10pt">Cc: springkerb <<a href=3D"mailto:springkerb at aol.com=
> " rel=3D"noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" target=3D"_blank">springkerb at a=
> ol.com<http://ol.com></a>>
> </span></div>
> </div>
> </div>
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> <div>
> <div style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">
> <div style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">
> <div class=3D"x_m_-1842704246558891413yiv7171773982MsoNormal"><span style=
> =3D"font-size:10pt">Subject: Re: [USML Announce] Saves + Holds Redux
> </span></div>
> </div>
> </div>
> </div>
> <div>
> <div style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">
> <div style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">
> <div class=3D"x_m_-1842704246558891413yiv7171773982MsoNormal"><span style=
> =3D"font-size:10pt"> </span></div>
> </div>
> </div>
> </div>
> <div>
> <div>
> <div style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">
> <div style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">
> <div class=3D"x_m_-1842704246558891413yiv7171773982MsoNormal"><span style=
> =3D"font-size:10pt">Cool. It's an interesting comparison.</span></div=
>>
> </div>
> </div>
> </div>
> <div>
> <div style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">
> <div style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">
> <div class=3D"x_m_-1842704246558891413yiv7171773982MsoNormal"><span style=
> =3D"font-size:10pt"> </span></div>
> </div>
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> <div style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">
> <div class=3D"x_m_-1842704246558891413yiv7171773982MsoNormal"><span style=
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> <div style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">
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> </div>
> <div id=3D"x_m_-1842704246558891413yiv7171773982gmail-m_-845594080631526243=
> 9gmail-m_-8452046286561511265gmail-m_-5880265916494247293yiv6475739962ydp2e=
> 7e82b6yiv3731181299composer_signature">
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> <div style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">
> <div style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">
> <div class=3D"x_m_-1842704246558891413yiv7171773982MsoNormal"><span style=
> =3D"font-size:8.5pt">Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S=AE6 active, an AT&T =
> 4G LTE smartphone</span><span style=3D"font-size:10pt"></span></div>
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> <div class=3D"x_m_-1842704246558891413yiv7171773982MsoNormal"><span style=
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> <div style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">
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> <div style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">
> <div style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">
> <div class=3D"x_m_-1842704246558891413yiv7171773982MsoNormal"><span style=
> =3D"font-size:10pt">From: Frank Luby <<a href=3D"mailto:zachfehsvater at ya=
> hoo.com<http://hoo.com>" rel=3D"noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" target=3D"_blank">zachf=
> ehsvater at yahoo.com<mailto:ehsvater at yahoo.com></a>>
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> <div style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">
> <div style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">
> <div class=3D"x_m_-1842704246558891413yiv7171773982MsoNormal"><span style=
> =3D"font-size:10pt">Date: 2/11/19 10:02 PM (GMT-06:00)
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> <div style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">
> <div style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">
> <div class=3D"x_m_-1842704246558891413yiv7171773982MsoNormal"><span style=
> =3D"font-size:10pt">To: Andy Klein <<a href=3D"mailto:anrklein at gmail.com=
> " rel=3D"noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" target=3D"_blank">anrklein at gma=
> il.com<http://il.com></a>>, USML Announcements <<a href=3D"mailto:announce at usml.net"=
> rel=3D"noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" target=3D"_blank">announce at usml=
> .net</a>>
> </span></div>
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> <div style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">
> <div style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">
> <div class=3D"x_m_-1842704246558891413yiv7171773982MsoNormal"><span style=
> =3D"font-size:10pt">Cc: springkerb <<a href=3D"mailto:springkerb at aol.com=
> " rel=3D"noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" target=3D"_blank">springkerb at a=
> ol.com<http://ol.com></a>>
> </span></div>
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> <div style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">
> <div style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">
> <div class=3D"x_m_-1842704246558891413yiv7171773982MsoNormal"><span style=
> =3D"font-size:10pt">Subject: Re: [USML Announce] Saves + Holds Redux
> </span></div>
> </div>
> </div>
> </div>
> <div>
> <div style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">
> <div style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">
> <div class=3D"x_m_-1842704246558891413yiv7171773982MsoNormal"><span style=
> =3D"font-size:10pt"> </span></div>
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> <div style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">
> <div class=3D"x_m_-1842704246558891413yiv7171773982MsoNormal"><span style=
> =3D"font-size:10pt">To throw some data into this discussion, here are the t=
> op 50 relievers in the AL last season ranked by the SV+HLD method and t=
> he 2xSV+HLD, in a side by side comparison
> ...</span></div>
> </div>
> </div>
> </div>
> <div>
> <div style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">
> <div style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">
> <div class=3D"x_m_-1842704246558891413yiv7171773982MsoNormal"><span style=
> =3D"font-size:10pt"> </span></div>
> </div>
> </div>
> </div>
> </div>
> <div id=3D"x_m_-1842704246558891413yiv7171773982gmail-m_-845594080631526243=
> 9gmail-m_-8452046286561511265gmail-m_-5880265916494247293yiv6475739962ydp2e=
> 7e82b6yiv3731181299ydp49dd72eayahoo_quoted_0077330127">
> <div>
> <div>
> <div style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">
> <div style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">
> <div class=3D"x_m_-1842704246558891413yiv7171773982MsoNormal"><span style=
> =3D"font-size:10pt">On Monday, February 11, 2019, 9:44:36 PM CST, springker=
> b via Announce <<a href=3D"mailto:announce at usml.net" rel=3D"noopener nor=
> eferrer" shape=3D"rect" target=3D"_blank">announce at usml.net<mailto:announce at usml.net></a>>
> wrote: </span></div>
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> <div style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">
> <div class=3D"x_m_-1842704246558891413yiv7171773982MsoNormal"><span style=
> =3D"font-size:10pt"> </span></div>
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> <div>
> <div style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">
> <div style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">
> <div class=3D"x_m_-1842704246558891413yiv7171773982MsoNormal"><span style=
> =3D"font-size:10pt"> </span></div>
> </div>
> </div>
> </div>
> <div>
> <div id=3D"x_m_-1842704246558891413yiv7171773982gmail-m_-845594080631526243=
> 9gmail-m_-8452046286561511265gmail-m_-5880265916494247293yiv6475739962ydp2e=
> 7e82b6yiv3731181299ydp49dd72eayiv0167555089">
> <div>
> <div>
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> <div style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">
> <div class=3D"x_m_-1842704246558891413yiv7171773982MsoNormal"><span style=
> =3D"font-size:10pt">I'd like you to reconsider the ratio. There are a=
> bout twice as many holds as saves. Weighting them equally would actually ma=
> ke the 7th and 8th inning guys more valuable
> than closers, which just doesn't seem right.</span></div>
> </div>
> </div>
> </div>
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> <div style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">
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> =3D"font-size:10pt"> </span></div>
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> <div style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">
> <div class=3D"x_m_-1842704246558891413yiv7171773982MsoNormal"><span style=
> =3D"font-size:10pt">Mark</span></div>
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> <div style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">
> <div class=3D"x_m_-1842704246558891413yiv7171773982MsoNormal"><span style=
> =3D"font-size:10pt"> </span></div>
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> <div style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">
> <div class=3D"x_m_-1842704246558891413yiv7171773982MsoNormal"><span style=
> =3D"font-size:10pt"> </span></div>
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> <div class=3D"x_m_-1842704246558891413yiv7171773982MsoNormal"><span style=
> =3D"font-size:10pt"> </span></div>
> </div>
> </div>
> </div>
> <div id=3D"x_m_-1842704246558891413yiv7171773982gmail-m_-845594080631526243=
> 9gmail-m_-8452046286561511265gmail-m_-5880265916494247293yiv6475739962ydp2e=
> 7e82b6yiv3731181299ydp49dd72eayiv0167555089composer_signature">
> <div>
> <div style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">
> <div style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">
> <div class=3D"x_m_-1842704246558891413yiv7171773982MsoNormal"><span style=
> =3D"font-size:8.5pt">Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S=AE6 active, an AT&T =
> 4G LTE smartphone</span><span style=3D"font-size:10pt"></span></div>
> </div>
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> <div style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">
> <div class=3D"x_m_-1842704246558891413yiv7171773982MsoNormal"><span style=
> =3D"font-size:10pt"> </span></div>
> </div>
> </div>
> </div>
> <div id=3D"x_m_-1842704246558891413yiv7171773982gmail-m_-845594080631526243=
> 9gmail-m_-8452046286561511265gmail-m_-5880265916494247293yiv6475739962ydp2e=
> 7e82b6yiv3731181299ydp49dd72eayiv0167555089yqt36973">
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> <div style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">
> <div class=3D"x_m_-1842704246558891413yiv7171773982MsoNormal"><span style=
> =3D"font-size:10pt">-------- Original message --------</span></div>
> </div>
> </div>
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> <div style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">
> <div style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">
> <div class=3D"x_m_-1842704246558891413yiv7171773982MsoNormal"><span style=
> =3D"font-size:10pt">From: Andy Klein <<a href=3D"mailto:anrklein at gmail.c=
> om" rel=3D"noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" target=3D"_blank">anrklein at g=
> mail.com<http://mail.com></a>>
> </span></div>
> </div>
> </div>
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> <div>
> <div style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">
> <div style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">
> <div class=3D"x_m_-1842704246558891413yiv7171773982MsoNormal"><span style=
> =3D"font-size:10pt">Date: 2/11/19 7:33 PM (GMT-06:00)
> </span></div>
> </div>
> </div>
> </div>
> <div>
> <div style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">
> <div style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">
> <div class=3D"x_m_-1842704246558891413yiv7171773982MsoNormal"><span style=
> =3D"font-size:10pt">To: USML Announcements <<a href=3D"mailto:announce at u=
> sml.net<http://sml.net>" rel=3D"noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" target=3D"_blank">annou=
> nce at usml.net<mailto:nce at usml.net></a>>
> </span></div>
> </div>
> </div>
> </div>
> <div>
> <div style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">
> <div style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">
> <div class=3D"x_m_-1842704246558891413yiv7171773982MsoNormal"><span style=
> =3D"font-size:10pt">Cc: springkerb <<a href=3D"mailto:springkerb at aol.com=
> " rel=3D"noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" target=3D"_blank">springkerb at a=
> ol.com<http://ol.com></a>>
> </span></div>
> </div>
> </div>
> </div>
> <div>
> <div style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">
> <div style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">
> <div class=3D"x_m_-1842704246558891413yiv7171773982MsoNormal"><span style=
> =3D"font-size:10pt">Subject: Re: [USML Announce] Saves + Holds Redux
> </span></div>
> </div>
> </div>
> </div>
> <div>
> <div style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">
> <div style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">
> <div class=3D"x_m_-1842704246558891413yiv7171773982MsoNormal"><span style=
> =3D"font-size:10pt"> </span></div>
> </div>
> </div>
> </div>
> </div>
> <div>
> <div style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">
> <div style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">
> <div class=3D"x_m_-1842704246558891413yiv7171773982MsoNormal"><span style=
> =3D"font-size:10pt">Nope ... we talked about it, but never voted on it.&nbs=
> p; I'm actually advocating Saves + Holds, not 2XSaves + H=
> olds. I'm fine with 2020 implementation. I'll wait another
> day and then make a formal proposal. </span></div>
> </div>
> </div>
> <div>
> <div style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">
> <div style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">
> <div class=3D"x_m_-1842704246558891413yiv7171773982MsoNormal"><span style=
> =3D"font-size:10pt"> </span></div>
> </div>
> </div>
> </div>
> <div>
> <div style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">
> <div style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">
> <div class=3D"x_m_-1842704246558891413yiv7171773982MsoNormal"><span style=
> =3D"font-size:10pt">-Andy</span></div>
> </div>
> </div>
> </div>
> </div>
> <div style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">
> <div style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">
> <div class=3D"x_m_-1842704246558891413yiv7171773982MsoNormal"><span style=
> =3D"font-size:10pt"> </span></div>
> </div>
> </div>
> <div>
> <div>
> <div style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">
> <div style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">
> <div class=3D"x_m_-1842704246558891413yiv7171773982MsoNormal"><span style=
> =3D"font-size:10pt">On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 7:02 PM springkerb via Announce=
> <<a href=3D"mailto:announce at usml.net" rel=3D"noopener noreferrer" shape=
> =3D"rect" target=3D"_blank">announce at usml.net<mailto:announce at usml.net></a>>
> wrote:</span></div>
> </div>
> </div>
> </div>
> <blockquote style=3D"border-width:medium medium medium 1pt; border-style:no=
> ne none none solid; border-color:currentColor currentColor currentColor rgb=
> (204,204,204); margin:5pt 0in 5pt 4.8pt; padding:0in 0in 0in 6pt">
> <div>
> <div>
> <div style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">
> <div style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">
> <div class=3D"x_m_-1842704246558891413yiv7171773982MsoNormal"><span style=
> =3D"font-size:10pt">See my other email. Thought thiswas a done deal f=
> or this year.</span></div>
> </div>
> </div>
> </div>
> <div>
> <div style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">
> <div style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">
> <div class=3D"x_m_-1842704246558891413yiv7171773982MsoNormal"><span style=
> =3D"font-size:10pt"> </span></div>
> </div>
> </div>
> </div>
> <div>
> <div style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">
> <div style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">
> <div class=3D"x_m_-1842704246558891413yiv7171773982MsoNormal"><span style=
> =3D"font-size:10pt">Mark</span></div>
> </div>
> </div>
> </div>
> <div>
> <div style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">
> <div style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">
> <div class=3D"x_m_-1842704246558891413yiv7171773982MsoNormal"><span style=
> =3D"font-size:10pt"> </span></div>
> </div>
> </div>
> </div>
> <div>
> <div style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">
> <div style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">
> <div class=3D"x_m_-1842704246558891413yiv7171773982MsoNormal"><span style=
> =3D"font-size:10pt"> </span></div>
> </div>
> </div>
> </div>
> <div>
> <div style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">
> <div style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">
> <div class=3D"x_m_-1842704246558891413yiv7171773982MsoNormal"><span style=
> =3D"font-size:10pt"> </span></div>
> </div>
> </div>
> </div>
> <div id=3D"x_m_-1842704246558891413yiv7171773982gmail-m_-845594080631526243=
> 9gmail-m_-8452046286561511265gmail-m_-5880265916494247293yiv6475739962ydp2e=
> 7e82b6yiv3731181299ydp49dd72eayiv0167555089gmail-m_-2377757529899590271comp=
> oser_signature">
> <div>
> <div style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">
> <div style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">
> <div class=3D"x_m_-1842704246558891413yiv7171773982MsoNormal"><span style=
> =3D"font-size:8.5pt">Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S=AE6 active, an AT&T =
> 4G LTE smartphone</span><span style=3D"font-size:10pt"></span></div>
> </div>
> </div>
> </div>
> </div>
> <div>
> <div style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">
> <div style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">
> <div class=3D"x_m_-1842704246558891413yiv7171773982MsoNormal"><span style=
> =3D"font-size:10pt"> </span></div>
> </div>
> </div>
> </div>
> <div>
> <div>
> <div style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">
> <div style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">
> <div class=3D"x_m_-1842704246558891413yiv7171773982MsoNormal"><span style=
> =3D"font-size:10pt">-------- Original message --------</span></div>
> </div>
> </div>
> </div>
> <div>
> <div style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">
> <div style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">
> <div class=3D"x_m_-1842704246558891413yiv7171773982MsoNormal"><span style=
> =3D"font-size:10pt">From: Andy Klein <<a href=3D"mailto:anrklein at gmail.c=
> om" rel=3D"noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" target=3D"_blank">anrklein at g=
> mail.com<http://mail.com></a>>
> </span></div>
> </div>
> </div>
> </div>
> <div>
> <div style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">
> <div style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">
> <div class=3D"x_m_-1842704246558891413yiv7171773982MsoNormal"><span style=
> =3D"font-size:10pt">Date: 2/11/19 4:16 PM (GMT-06:00)
> </span></div>
> </div>
> </div>
> </div>
> <div>
> <div style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">
> <div style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">
> <div class=3D"x_m_-1842704246558891413yiv7171773982MsoNormal"><span style=
> =3D"font-size:10pt">To: USML Announcements <<a href=3D"mailto:announce at u=
> sml.net<http://sml.net>" rel=3D"noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" target=3D"_blank">annou=
> nce at usml.net<mailto:nce at usml.net></a>>
> </span></div>
> </div>
> </div>
> </div>
> <div>
> <div style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">
> <div style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">
> <div class=3D"x_m_-1842704246558891413yiv7171773982MsoNormal"><span style=
> =3D"font-size:10pt">Subject: Re: [USML Announce] Saves + Holds Redux
> </span></div>
> </div>
> </div>
> </div>
> <div>
> <div style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">
> <div style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">
> <div class=3D"x_m_-1842704246558891413yiv7171773982MsoNormal"><span style=
> =3D"font-size:10pt"> </span></div>
> </div>
> </div>
> </div>
> </div>
> <div>
> <div style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">
> <div style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">
> <div class=3D"x_m_-1842704246558891413yiv7171773982MsoNormal"><span style=
> =3D"font-size:10pt">That's four quick positive responses. Eager to he=
> ar others ... and whether people would generally prefer to implement in 202=
> 0.
> </span></div>
> </div>
> </div>
> <div>
> <div style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">
> <div style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">
> <div class=3D"x_m_-1842704246558891413yiv7171773982MsoNormal"><span style=
> =3D"font-size:10pt"> </span></div>
> </div>
> </div>
> </div>
> <div>
> <div style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">
> <div style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">
> <div class=3D"x_m_-1842704246558891413yiv7171773982MsoNormal"><span style=
> =3D"font-size:10pt">-Andy</span></div>
> </div>
> </div>
> </div>
> </div>
> <div style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">
> <div style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">
> <div class=3D"x_m_-1842704246558891413yiv7171773982MsoNormal"><span style=
> =3D"font-size:10pt"> </span></div>
> </div>
> </div>
> <div>
> <div>
> <div style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">
> <div style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">
> <div class=3D"x_m_-1842704246558891413yiv7171773982MsoNormal"><span style=
> =3D"font-size:10pt">On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 5:01 PM JOHN FRUIT <<a href=
> =3D"mailto:jtfruit at msn.com" rel=3D"noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" targ=
> et=3D"_blank">jtfruit at msn.com<mailto:jtfruit at msn.com></a>> wrote:</span></div>
> </div>
> </div>
> </div>
> <blockquote style=3D"border-width:medium medium medium 1pt; border-style:no=
> ne none none solid; border-color:currentColor currentColor currentColor rgb=
> (204,204,204); margin:5pt 0in 5pt 4.8pt; padding:0in 0in 0in 6pt">
> <div>
> <div>
> <div>
> <div style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">
> <div style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">
> <div class=3D"x_m_-1842704246558891413yiv7171773982MsoNormal"><span style=
> =3D"font-size:10pt">Yeah, Josh Hader struck out like 50 Cubs in 10+ inn=
> ings of work and had nary a save.</span></div>
> </div>
> </div>
> </div>
> <div>
> <div style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">
> <div style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">
> <div class=3D"x_m_-1842704246558891413yiv7171773982MsoNormal"><span style=
> =3D"font-size:10pt"> </span></div>
> </div>
> </div>
> </div>
> <div>
> <div style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">
> <div style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">
> <div class=3D"x_m_-1842704246558891413yiv7171773982MsoNormal"><span style=
> =3D"font-size:10pt"> </span></div>
> </div>
> </div>
> </div>
> <div>
> <div style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">
> <div style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">
> <div class=3D"x_m_-1842704246558891413yiv7171773982MsoNormal"><span style=
> =3D"font-size:10pt"> </span></div>
> </div>
> </div>
> </div>
> <div id=3D"x_m_-1842704246558891413yiv7171773982gmail-m_-845594080631526243=
> 9gmail-m_-8452046286561511265gmail-m_-5880265916494247293yiv6475739962ydp2e=
> 7e82b6yiv3731181299ydp49dd72eayiv0167555089gmail-m_-2377757529899590271gmai=
> l-m_-3820305355967092332x_composer_signature">
> <div>
> <div style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">
> <div style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">
> <div class=3D"x_m_-1842704246558891413yiv7171773982MsoNormal"><span style=
> =3D"font-size:8.5pt">Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone</span>=
> <span style=3D"font-size:10pt"></span></div>
> </div>
> </div>
> </div>
> </div>
> <div>
> <div style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">
> <div style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">
> <div class=3D"x_m_-1842704246558891413yiv7171773982MsoNormal"><span style=
> =3D"font-size:10pt"> </span></div>
> </div>
> </div>
> </div>
> <div>
> <div style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">
> <div style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">
> <div class=3D"x_m_-1842704246558891413yiv7171773982MsoNormal"><span style=
> =3D"font-size:10pt"> </span></div>
> </div>
> </div>
> </div>
> <div>
> <div style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">
> <div style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">
> <div class=3D"x_m_-1842704246558891413yiv7171773982MsoNormal"><span style=
> =3D"font-size:10pt">-------- Original message --------</span></div>
> </div>
> </div>
> </div>
> <div>
> <div style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">
> <div style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">
> <div class=3D"x_m_-1842704246558891413yiv7171773982MsoNormal"><span style=
> =3D"font-size:10pt">From: Frank Luby via Announce <<a href=3D"mailto:ann=
> ounce at usml.net<mailto:ounce at usml.net>" rel=3D"noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" target=3D"_blank=
> ">announce at usml.net<mailto:announce at usml.net></a>>
> </span></div>
> </div>
> </div>
> </div>
> <div>
> <div style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">
> <div style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">
> <div class=3D"x_m_-1842704246558891413yiv7171773982MsoNormal"><span style=
> =3D"font-size:10pt">Date: 2/11/19 3:38 PM (GMT-06:00)
> </span></div>
> </div>
> </div>
> </div>
> <div>
> <div style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">
> <div style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">
> <div class=3D"x_m_-1842704246558891413yiv7171773982MsoNormal"><span style=
> =3D"font-size:10pt">To: USML Announcements <<a href=3D"mailto:announce at u=
> sml.net<http://sml.net>" rel=3D"noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" target=3D"_blank">annou=
> nce at usml.net<mailto:nce at usml.net></a>>
> </span></div>
> </div>
> </div>
> </div>
> <div>
> <div style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">
> <div style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">
> <div class=3D"x_m_-1842704246558891413yiv7171773982MsoNormal"><span style=
> =3D"font-size:10pt">Cc: Frank Luby <<a href=3D"mailto:zachfehsvater at yaho=
> o.com<http://o.com>" rel=3D"noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" target=3D"_blank">zachfeh=
> svater at yahoo.com<mailto:svater at yahoo.com></a>>
> </span></div>
> </div>
> </div>
> </div>
> <div>
> <div style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">
> <div style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">
> <div class=3D"x_m_-1842704246558891413yiv7171773982MsoNormal"><span style=
> =3D"font-size:10pt">Subject: Re: [USML Announce] Saves + Holds Redux
> </span></div>
> </div>
> </div>
> </div>
> <div>
> <div style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">
> <div style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">
> <div class=3D"x_m_-1842704246558891413yiv7171773982MsoNormal"><span style=
> =3D"font-size:10pt"> </span></div>
> </div>
> </div>
> </div>
> </div>
> <div>
> <div style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">
> <div style=3D"margin-left:0.5in">
> <div class=3D"x_m_-1842704246558891413yiv7171773982MsoNormal"><span style=
> =3D"font-size:10pt">What=92s a closer ...?<br clear=3D"none">
> <br clear=3D"none">
> Seriously though, I=92m with Andy. Gives a purpose and a strategy to those =
> many many pitchers I refer to as DNH guys (as in =93do no harm=94).<br clea=
> r=3D"none">
> <br clear=3D"none">
> I would be fine with immediate implementation.<br clear=3D"none">
> <br clear=3D"none">
> - Frank<br clear=3D"none">
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> > On Feb 11, 2019, at 3:25 PM, Andy Klein <<a href=3D"mailto:anrklein=
> @gmail.com" rel=3D"noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" target=3D"_blank">an=
> rklein at gmail.com<mailto:rklein at gmail.com></a>> wrote:<br clear=3D"none">
> > <br clear=3D"none">
> > I proposed this last spring and received a distinctly unenthusiastic r=
> esponse. But I am re-proposing that we move to Saves + Holds as a=
> category instead of just Saves. That better reflects the reality of =
> MLB pitching value today. It also would end what
> is, IMHO, an inordinate focus on playing the "closer carousel" i=
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> > <br clear=3D"none">
> > I would be up for doing this immediately -- and I say that as someone =
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> > <br clear=3D"none">
> > Last year, we agreed to implement the change if we voted to do so by m=
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