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To: announce <announce@usml.net><br>
Sent: Wed, Apr 3, 2013 9:56 am<br>
Subject: Re: [USML Announce] Daily Roster Audit Compliance Report<br>
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<div>With all due respect, that's a really stupid non-solution.<br>
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To: USML Announcements <<a href="mailto:announce@usml.net">announce@usml.net</a>><br>
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<div class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: ; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">I think the likelihood of a team being without FAAB and/or there being no available players and a team having no minor leaguers to activate is a sufficiently remote possibility that we could deal with that on an ad hoc basis. I would recommend that if that circumstance arose that the team be given a $5 FAAB balance strictly for the purpose of securing a player. </span></div>
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<div class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: ; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">But the prohibition against teams trading into difficulty seems like a no brainer.</span></div>
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<div class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: ; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">1. The fact that allowing open slots implicates all kinds of potential strategy issues is why it should not be allowed. </span></div>
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To: USML Announcements <<a href="mailto:announce@usml.net">announce@usml.net</a>><br>
Sent: Wed, Apr 3, 2013 9:18 am<br>
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<div class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: ; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Nevertheless, what is an owner supposed to do if they simply cannot comply?</span></div>
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<div class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: ; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Should we distinguish from situations outside of the control of the owner and those that arise from a USML trade, ie, perhaps we shouldn't allow teams to trade themselves into rostering problems?</span></div>
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<div class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: ; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Going through that litany I now realize there's another aspect of this that merits some consideration and which may support the Jim/Jeff position. If we permit open slots that allows a team to use those slots to avoid the impact of the salary cap. Perhaps that's a bigger problem than I might have expected.</span></div>
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<div class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: ; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">What's the penalty for being out of compliance and what is a owner who cannot comply with his roster supposed to do?</span></div>
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<div class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: ; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">I think Jim's point is that you have to maintain the ability to fill the slots whether with minor leaguers or DL players in the AL. I expect that is always the case, but teams don't want to start the contracts on minor leaguers. </span></div>
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<div class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: ; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">So you toss in a guy on DL or a player getting no abs etc. There may be instances where you can't fill a slot etc. Thats why we have minimum requirements. Would you prohibit rostering of DL guys or previously actives who have been demoted? We've never precluded those. <br>
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<div class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: ; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">This came up a long time ago, and at the time I think we decided empty slots were allowed. However, I also thought there were later amendments that changed that--but I may be wrong.<br>
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To: USML Announcements <br>
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