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<div>Guys,</div><div><br></div><div>Despite Mark K's belief that this issue is clearly addressed in the Constitution in the manner he reads it, I, for one, do not agree. </div><div><br></div><div>Lets wait until Rich is available and then ask him to pose a question to the league for a vote. </div><div><br></div><div>Jeff</div><div><br><br>Sent from my iPhone</div><div><br>On Apr 3, 2013, at 11:39 AM, "<a href="mailto:springkerb@aol.com">springkerb@aol.com</a>" <<a href="mailto:springkerb@aol.com">springkerb@aol.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>
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<font color="black" size="2" face="arial">No, I don't think we do. To the contrary, it appears clear (at least to me) that under-representation at a position is allowed--period. By contrast, a trade that left a team below the salary floor or above the cap would not be allowed.<br>
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</font><div id="AOLMsgPart_2_bda1e4e2-02a9-4dd6-870e-b67b3b9d3717"><font color="black" size="2" face="arial">I think the one point to confirm agreement on right now is this: a trade cannot be made if it leaves a team's roster imbalanced in any way (i.e., a team cannot trade a CI unless it gets one back or has someone on reserve to fill the slot). I don't think that should be in issue. Do we all agree on that point?
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</font><div class="gmail_quote"><font color="black" size="2" face="arial">On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 11:12 AM, Dennis Adams <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:dadams17@gmail.com">dadams17@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">For whatever its worth (which very well might be nothing), I am in a couple other leagues (albeit head-to-head ones) that frequently witness managers moving players from their active roster to their bench spots at the end of a weekly matchup to secure AVG/ERA/WHIP at the expense of Runs, HR, Wins, Ks, etc. Under-representation in any league seems to me like a strategy move that carries risk and that risk tends to make people comfortable with accepting others who choose to under-represent.
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<div>I guess my point is, even if it were an oversight, I'm not so sure under-representation should be prohibited. Glad my temporary oversight in forgetting to promote Juan Rivera led to this debate on the league bylaws though!</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 11:06 AM, <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:springkerb@aol.com">springkerb@aol.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote style="BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; PADDING-LEFT: 1ex" class="gmail_quote"><font color="black" face="arial"><font style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">What the roster "shall consist of" is not the same question as whether and how it has to be filled. Section 1 addresses the former; Section 3 addresses the latter. When the constituation expressly says you can't be over-represented and doesn't mention under-representation at all, then under-representation has to be allowed. Intent doesn't matter and a thousand other leagues don't matter. We have a written rule, and it's clear.</font><br>
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<div><font color="black" face="arial">Guys - just because one can create an ambiguous reading of the constitution doesn't mean we should do so. It wasn't anticipated that someone would intentionally understaff their team. And it certainly wasn't discussed and agreed that it would be allowed. It simply wasn't anticipated as a potential problem. Had it been, I'm quite confident it would have been addressed. That makes it an oversight not an indication of intent. If I'm wrong about this, Rich should chime in. But I don't think so.
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<div>My understanding of the intent of this league and every other league I have ever been in is that you have to have a complete roster. </div>
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<div dir="ltr">I tend to agree with Mark that, if the constitution intended to prohibit under-representation it should say so. Especially since Section 4 explicitly indicates over-representation as well as a number of other scenarios that require remedying; yet no mention of under-representation is ever discussed. Therefore, reading 3(1) together with 3(4), I think "SHALL consist of the following players.." should be construed as setting forth the maximums for each roster spot. I'm also not terribly concerned about demoting players to the reserve roster to circumvent salary rules because the reserve roster has a maximum number of spots available.
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<div>But then again, I'm still just a law student (whose weakest subject admittedly is constitutional law) and not yet admitted to practice.... so I could be entirely wrong. Just my 2 pennies worth of input....</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 10:11 AM, Jeffrey Winick <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jhwinick@aol.com">jhwinick@aol.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div>I beg to differ. Article III, Section 1 says that a team's active roster SHALL consist of the following positions. That seems 100% clear to me that teams are required to have each of those slots filled.</div>
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<div><font style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">I looked at the constitution, and I think it's 100% clear. Over-representation is not allowed, but under-representation is. Article III, Section 4. It's absolutely 100% clear. If the answer were otherwise, III(4) would also contain the words "or under-represented" (which it does not). BA, ERA and WHIP are addressed by the AB and IP minimums. One can argue about whether it should work that way, but it does unless and until we amend the constituation.</font></div>
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<div>Easy answer, clear as a bell, nothing left to talk about. The commissioners are empowered to interpret the constitution, but not to change it on the fly, so the whole discussion is pointless.</div>
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<div class="MsoNormal"><span>And I agree that FA’s can be used to fill slots, but NL players can only be used in slots if they first occupied that slot while they were something other than an NL player. I think we cleared that up earlier.</span></div>
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(By the way, as discussed previously, it's also permissible to fill slots with FAs or NL players that were properly acquired--e.g., Valverde. That's sufficiently clear in the rules that I don't think there's anything to discuss.)</span></div>
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<div class="MsoNormal"><span>I think Jim's point is that you have to maintain the ability to fill the slots whether with minor leaguers or DL players in the AL. I expect that is always the case, but teams don't want to start the contracts on minor leaguers. </span></div>
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<div class="MsoNormal"><span>This came up a long time ago, and at the time I think we decided empty slots were allowed. However, I also thought there were later amendments that changed that--but I may be wrong.<br>
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