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<div>I like it, but I thought that rule was already in effect last year as why else would I have spent $16 on Andrew Miller? As Jim suggests, the capabilities of OnRoto regarding the matter certainly holds sway.</div>
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eyeball the team stats for the AL in 2017, total holds were a little more than double total saves. 1199 to 574 if I added right (which I probably didn't). So just a shade less than 2.1/1.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">The difference in sheer number of holds and saves isn't as big as you might think. I didn't add it all up, but glance at the charts here: <a target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" href="https://www.teamrankings.com/mlb/player-stat/holds">https://www.teamrankings.com/mlb/player-stat/holds</a>
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<div class="aolmail_gmail_quote">On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 1:38 PM, Jeffrey Winick <span dir="ltr">
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<div class="aolmail_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:#1f497d">I like Mr. K’s proposal (some multiple of saves plus holds). And, I too really enjoy watching Andy’s closers flame out.<u></u><u></u></span></div>
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<div class="aolmail_MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> Announce [mailto:<a target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" href="mailto:announce-bounces@usml.net">announce-bounces@usml.<wbr>net</a>]
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [USML Announce] Roto Musings ...<u></u><u></u></div>
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<div class="aolmail_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"; color:black">A somewhat more serious response--given the relatively larger number of holds than saves available, I'd be inclined to go with a weighted measure (e.g.,
2S + H) if we go in this direction. Otherwise, the scoring would put an artificial premium on the 7th and 8th inning guys. I'm not sure what the right ratio would be, but it should probably track the actual relative numbers of expected holds and saves across
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I don't have a really strong reaction either way for the moment. (But did I mention how much I've enjoyed watching your closers flame out?)<br>
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<div class="aolmail_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"; color:black">The Yu Darvish signing and publication of the Winick Magazine have my roto juices flowing. So here's a topic for conversation.
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<div class="aolmail_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"; color:black">Should we consider changing from Saves as a category to Saves+Holds? Of course, we would need to do this with a year's notice to make things fair,
so likely starting with the 2019 season.<u></u><u></u></span></div>
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<div class="aolmail_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"; color:black">Saves have always placed an obvious premium on 9th inning guys over good middle relieves. But it seems the disparity between roto value and real value
is growing given that way that managers are using bullpens in recent years. More and more managers utilize top relievers in "high leverage" situations rather than just the 9th inning. And increasing numbers of managers are hesitant to let starters go through
a lineup for a third time, which makes bullpen depth extremely important in real baseball. Little of this is captured using our rules. We chase whoever currently has a 9th inning gig, and do so all year with FAAB dollars. Meanwhile, most middle relievers
-- who are in real life quite valuable -- get ignored. There are a few exceptions (e.g., Andrew Miller went for $16 last year), but they are few and far between.<u></u><u></u></span></div>
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<div class="aolmail_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"; color:black">Saves plus holds would make a much larger universe of pitchers valuable and reduce the dice-rolling aspect of fishing for saves. The only downside I
can think of is that the pool of valuable relievers might be too big and could simply depress the price for all relievers.<u></u><u></u></span></div>
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<div class="aolmail_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"; color:black">Finally, I admit that some of this might relate to my own miserable attempt to compete in Saves during the past few years. I've tried everything --
buying a high-priced stud (injured or traded); buying closers-in-waiting (never happened or injured); buying low-end closers (flame out or injured). Etc.<u></u><u></u></span></div>
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<div class="aolmail_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"; color:black">Interested in others' thoughts. And eagerly awaiting the draft!<u></u><u></u></span></div>
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