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On Tuesday, February 12, 2019, 12:16:59 PM CST, springkerb--- via Announce <announce@usml.net> wrote:
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</font><div>That's a good approach. Seems like we have a pretty solid consensus on reflecting the value of holds in some way. You can put a check in the first box for me.</div>
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<div class="ydp688725ccyiv9321290773MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;">__Change from Saves only to a calculus that includes holds effective with the 2020 season.</span></div>
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<div class="ydp688725ccyiv9321290773MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;">If there is a majority that agrees to make the change, as I expect there will be, then we can have a second vote as between the two alternatives: (i) saves
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<u>relative to the number of saves and holds available</u>. The ratio was pretty close to 2:1 last year (actually about 2.1:1). So if we go to a 2:1 ratio, then we'd be valuing all available holds and all available saves approximately equally. I think if
you look at Buddha's comparison, the most obvious and questionable shifts in value involve middle relievers that aren't particularly good pitchers but get a lot of appearances in the sixth or seventh inning--e.g., Chaz Roe. To me, those guys are greatly overvalued
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still view saves more important for several reasons. Like it or not but saves are an official statistic of MLB but I don’t believe holds are. Only 1 save can be given out in a game whereas more than 1 hold can be given. Baseball is a tradition bound game
more than most sports and the save and closer has the tradition behind it whereas holds do not. If we all want to go total saber, we’d get rid of Wins and BA too. So in sum if we make a change, I’m in favor of weighting saves more heavily. And no on future
requests to have a WAR or OPS+ category! :-) </span><span></span></div>
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