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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Also, here are the options Onroto currently allows.  I believe the math on option two works out the same as what some have proposed on a relative basis:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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 to measure here.  For example, the version that values saves and holds equally says that Jose Alvarado is third in the league.  He's a good reliever, but I don't think he was more reliablelast year than Trienen or Chapman.  Similarly, the equally weighted
 version says the Chaz Roe (Chaz Roe?) was the sixth most reliable holder of leads in the AL.  That's nuts.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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 valuable later in the game.  A clean ninth inning improves the team's likelihood of winning more when there are fewer innings left to play.  So, at least to my eye, the 2x approach does a better job of rewarding better relievers. <u></u><u></u></span></p>
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Seriously though, I’m with Andy. Gives a purpose and a strategy to those many many pitchers I refer to as DNH guys (as in “do no harm”).<br>
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> On Feb 11, 2019, at 3:25 PM, Andy Klein <<a href="mailto:anrklein@gmail.com" target="_blank">anrklein@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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> I proposed this last spring and received a distinctly unenthusiastic response.  But I am re-proposing that we move to Saves + Holds as a category instead of just Saves.  That better reflects the reality of MLB pitching value today.  It also would end what
 is, IMHO, an inordinate focus on playing the "closer carousel" in our league.  <br>
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> I would be up for doing this immediately -- and I say that as someone who will otherwise retain a closer.  But I suppose the typical way of doing this would be to make it effective next season.<br>
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> Last year, we agreed to implement the change if we voted to do so by mid-season.  But the proposal died for lack of interest.<br>
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